Pound for Pound, who was better, Calzaghe or De La Hoya?

[Shanus]

Oscar lost to any prime pound for pound fighter he fought, his stamina has always been questionable and he's a certified crossdresser.

Calzaghe.

[IMDAZED]

Its tough cus De La Hoya being Americas sweetheart has faced really well known opposition pretty much throughout his career. And some of those fighters he's beat and lets not forget LOST to are headed rightly or wrongly (because they too hail from the land of the free, and have had the same HBO treatment) for the hall of fame, so in that sense its not much of a debate. Oscar wins hands down.

But Calzaghe has faced adversity throughout his career, injuries and the fact that he's Welsh, not being much of draw for the RJJ's and B-hop's of his prime, he's never likely to be considered in this debate. But I'm not sure the story would have been the same if Calzaghe was American because he is an undeniably more skilled boxer and better athlete, and it has to be said, has a WINNERS determination of the likes Oscar will never have now that he's Golden Boys CEO raking it in from his name and promotions alone.

Its always tough comparing a elite European fighters careers with American/Mexican elites as in terms of P4P greatness they get a head start as they get to capture the minds of millions of americans from early on in their career and get handed the better fights to establish themselves a P4P greats.

Your post is one big IF. And if Calzaghe was American, there's no way on God's green Earth he'd be allowed to fight Mario Veit TWICE - a guy he KO'ed in one round the first time lololol. Or fight someone named Shelley Pudwill, or whatever the **** his name was.

Calzaghe is a HOF'er. But Oscar rates a little higher. Both are great, not all-time great, but great.

[Jolly Roger]

Your post is one big IF. And if Calzaghe was American, there's no way on God's green Earth he'd be allowed to fight Mario Veit TWICE - a guy he KO'ed in one round the first time lololol. Or fight someone named Shelley Pudwill, or whatever the **** his name was.

Calzaghe is a HOF'er. But Oscar rates a little higher. Both are great, not all-time great, but great.

He had to fight Veit again to keep his title, the German won the purse bid, which is why the fight was in Germany. Anyway Hopkins was allowed to fight Robert Allen 3 times, so that argument is void.

[IMDAZED]

He had to fight Veit again to keep his title, the German won the purse bid, which is why the fight was in Germany. Anyway Hopkins was allowed to fight Robert Allen 3 times, so that argument is void.

He didn't HAVE to do anything. He would've lost his title if he moved to 175 in his prime and actually fought some elite fighters - I guess he didn't do that for the sake of losing his belt?

You gotta give in order to gain. Roy Jones gave up his 160 title to move up and fight James Toney. You do what you have to do.

And Hopkins-Allen was a rematch of a four round no-contest (?) that was in Allen's favor when it ended. A little different than a first round KO, dont ya think?

[DA1CATAS]

Well Oscar fought the better people...

But oscar also lost to the better people?

Hopkins - Mayweather - Trinidad - Shane

Few maybes...

Sweet Pea - Sturm

Calzaghe fought alot of people.. but kessler and lacy are the best ones we know over here.

Sp most likley.. OSCAR!

[Jolly Roger]

He didn't HAVE to do anything. He would've lost his title if he moved to 175 in his prime and actually fought some elite fighters - I guess he didn't do that for the sake of losing his belt?

You gotta give in order to gain. Roy Jones gave up his 160 title to move up and fight James Toney. You do what you have to do.

And Hopkins-Allen was a rematch of four round no-contest (?) that was in Allen's favor when it ended. A little different than a first round KO, dont ya think?

Oh yeah, like Roy Jones did, look at all the elite fighters that he fought at 175. It reads like a who's who of boxing. Maybe he should have fought Roy Jones, oh that's right, that fight didn't happen because Calzaghe was high risk low reward - according to Jones himself. So Hopkins backed out of a fight and Roy Jones felt he had bigger fish to fry, who else should he have fought?

Why did Hopkins fight Allen a 3rd time?

[IMDAZED]

Oh yeah, like Roy Jones did, look at all the elite fighters that he fought at 175.

Right...so I point out that Jones gave up his middleweight title to move up and fight a man who was considered among the world's best and this is what you retort with? Dude, that's what he did. Like it or not. In fact, that's what made him great. Calzaghe, on the other hand, kept his SMW title and beat Sven Ottke leftovers. When did he move up to take a risk like that? Take short money AND lose his title like Jones did against Toney? NEVER.

Maybe he should have fought Roy Jones, oh that's right, that fight didn't happen because Calzaghe was high risk low reward - according to Jones himself. So Hopkins backed out of a fight and Roy Jones felt he had bigger fish to fry, who else should he have fought?

You really believe this? You do realize that Mr. Calzaghe, on two separate occassions, told reporters that he had no desire to fight Mr. Jones at the turn of the century? But let's not go by hearsay. Let's talk action. Why didn't Joe C. just move up and fight a LHW contender if he wanted the fight so bad? Like maybe fight Michalchewski? Or Tarver? Or ****, even Montell Griffin lol.

But anyway, that's not the point. The point is, Oscar De La Hoya will be rated higher than him p4p, and rightfully so. When Oscar was fighting the likes of Quartey, Whitaker and Tito, tell me, what was Calzaghe doing?

[Jolly Roger]

Right...so I point out that Jones gave up his middleweight title to move up and fight a man who was considered among the world's best and this is what you retort with? Dude, that's what he did. Like it or not. In fact, that's what made him great. Calzaghe, on the other hand, kept his SMW title and beat Sven Ottke leftovers. When did he move up to take a risk like that? Take short money AND lose his title like Jones did against Toney? NEVER.

We're not talking about the Toney fight, we're talking about the divison that you say Calzaghe should've moved into to make his name. Bar Roy Jones, who says he didn't want to fight Calzaghe, there was no one in that division, what would be the point of moving into it. He's only moving into it now because Hopkins is there and has finally put pen to paper.

You really believe this? You do realize that Mr. Calzaghe, on two separate occassions, told reporters that he had no desire to fight Mr. Jones at the turn of the century? But let's not go by hearsay. Let's talk action. Why didn't Joe C. just move up and fight a LHW contender if he wanted the fight so bad? Like maybe fight Michalchewski? Or Tarver? Or ****, even Montell Griffin lol.

I believe it because it came out of Jones's mouth in an interview last year. Calzaghe doesn't want to fight Jones now because he is shot and it would prove nothing, it was a different matter years ago, Calzaghe was very vocal about wanting to fight him. Now i don't think he would've beaten Jones, Jones was awesome, but i'm not going to deny the facts.
Why didn't Calzaghe move up and fight a LHW contender? Well if i was him i wouldn't waste my time chasing these contenders in another country for less money, Calzaghe is/was an elite fighter in his own right, he wasn't some young prospect. Perhaps his ego came into play, i don't know.

But anyway, that's not the point. The point is, Oscar De La Hoya will be rated higher than him p4p, and rightfully so. When Oscar was fighting the likes of Quartey, Whitaker and Tito, tell me, what was Calzaghe doing?

I'm not arguing about De La Hoya, but it's my opinion that he had the benefit of being America's golden boy - the biggest PPV star ever, and fighting in and around srtong weight classes. He could fight whoever he wanted, unlike Calzaghe. So ofcourse you could argue he has a better resume, but in terms of talent? I don't think so. It all depends on what your criteria is.

[IMDAZED]

Actually Jolly, we're talking Calzaghe vs. DLH ina p4p sense.

That's it. Start another thread if you wanna debate something else.

Thank you.

DLH>>> Calzaghe P4P.

And p4p is based on resume AND talent, moreso resume. Or else Zab Judah would be God, no?

[Run]

lol like at one point in time?

Wtf Oscar was maybe the best fighter in all of boxing next to Roy Jones Jr........but the difference was De La Hoya was fighting superstar fighters and making a name for himself on a bigger stage when Roy was seeking the multiple titles moving up in weight.

Hands down De La Hoya.



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