Is Pacquiao Your #1 P4P if he Beats JMM?

[Clegg]

I think that Pacquiao would have to put in a great performance to be considered above Mayweather. If he knocks Marquez out in round one that's very impressive, but we already know Pac is a great attacking fighter so as good as it would be, it doesn't give him any new advantage over Mayweather. Pacquiao would have to absolutely dominate Marquez, show versatility by outboxing him behind the jab, then step it up and the middle rounds before scoring a KO in about the 10th. Honestly though, Mayweather just seems head and shoulders above everyone talent-wise.

LOL! It's gotta be pac based on the quality of fighters he's beaten. I can't consider joe being the #2 or #3 maybe in the top 5. I hate it when fighters don't wanna move up in weight and fight bigger and better opposition.

Hopkins doesn't get criticism for staying at middleweight all those years and not stepping up to fight Calzaghe, so surely the same logic should apply to every fighter?

He's satisfied beating smaller guys

Smaller how? If they're in the same weight division they can't be that much smaller. It's hardly as if he's an 18 stone heavyweight or something. I cannot think of a single fighter than Calzaghe had a significant height advantage over. Hopkins is taller than Calzaghe yet he fought at a lighter weight class. Pavlik is a division below Calzaghe but is taller than him. Not sure what your point is here.

and he didn't even wanna fight outside of UK so how could someone put him on the #2 spot, that i don't understand.

Loads of fighters, almost all of them American, have never fought outside of their own country yet are on the p4p list. You're trying to say that Joe can't be p4p #1 because he hasn't fought outside of his own country. Yet this is flawed because 1) the p4p#1 has never fought outside of his own country (neither has de la Hoya or RJJ, who also attained high p4p rankings) and 2) not only has Calzaghe fought outside of the UK twice before, he's doing it again next month. He's also doing it at a heavier weight, so that's your "he should move up in weight" argument refuted as well.

Go and watch the Calzaghe fight against Richie Woodhall. The fight took place in England, and the English crowd was chanting "sheep-shagger" at Calzaghe. That's hardly home advantage.

You misunderstood. Who did he fight that's p4p material? He has never fought a great fighter until he fights b-hop but the guy is too old!

Hopkins is in the p4p top 10. Either someone is in the list of he isn't. Hopkins age doesn't stop him beating fighters like Winky and Tarver, so it obviously doesn't stop him being in the p4p list.

Calzaghe beat every opponent in his division that he could. He's dominated for over 10 years and has held the WBO, WBA, WBC and IBF belts.

I'm not saying Calzaghe is the world's best fighter or anything like that, I just think that some of those slagging him off seem to offer ****** arguments and haven't seen many of his fights. How many have you seen?

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And if Pac loses Saturday? I personally think JMM is going to pull it off.

I dont get how this is related to what we were discussing.

Anyway, I am not sure who's winning. If they fought right after the first fight I would put my money on JMM without even looking at the odds. At the time pacman was a force of nature, but an extremely one-dimensional force of nature, and JMM proved through the course of the fight he made the necessary adjustments.

NOW Pacman offense has many more faces, two hands, more side movement, and JMM is 4 years older. There is a chance that pacman does not have the same workrate/power/speed/chin combination just because of the “stardom” effect on his training. But it's just a chance. I think facts show that he made a lot of improvementes through the years. It is not by chance that we did not see the rematch for while: it is certainly not Marquez who got better in the last 4 years.

[whirlwind]

Actually pound 4 pound is your ability to move up in weight and continue being successful. And if that doesn't say Floyd Mayweather then I don't know what does.

I agree with you in this as Pac did when he started his career from 106 lbs to this present day at 130 lbs and maybe possible until at 140 lbs as what there handlers plan. Along the the way he collected 3 world championship belts. From WBC at flyweight, IBF at Super bantamweight, Rings belt at featherweight plus 2 lineal titles. Maybe another belt at super featherweight this week and another belt this year at lightweight. Quote me on this. If he able to do this, theres no doubt where we should put him at the p4p list. This how great boxer to be made by pushing himself to the limit and still successful compare to the very good and extremely talented boxer but lack of serious challenge as when they fight we already know the result before even it start.

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Pac is already over PBF imo. So if Floyd is your #1 PAC should definitely be #1 if he beats JMM.

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Pac is already over PBF imo. So if Floyd is your #1 PAC should definitely be #1 if he beats JMM.

I'll just keep on posting a few facts by pasting my first post:

LOL I will think about it when he fights a true, unbeaten jr. lightweight, possibly under 30 years old.

Marquez is a 34 years old featherweight.

Barrera was a 33 years old featherweight with 68 pro fights and coming off a loss.

Solis was featherweight (in his prime too! but a nobody unfortunately)

Larios was a superbantamweight coming off a loss.

Morales was a featherweight coming off a lot of losses. In fact Morales only managed to beat Pac in the last 3-4 years.

Velazquez was a featherweight.

Imagine if this was Mayweather's record the bashing that would be going on

[whirlwind]

I'll just keep on posting a few facts by pasting my first post:

LOL I will think about it when he fights a true, unbeaten jr. lightweight, possibly under 30 years old.

Marquez is a 34 years old featherweight.

Barrera was a 33 years old featherweight with 68 pro fights and coming off a loss.

Solis was featherweight (in his prime too! but a nobody unfortunately)

Larios was a superbantamweight coming off a loss.

Morales was a featherweight coming off a lot of losses. In fact Morales only managed to beat Pac in the last 3-4 years.

Velazquez was a featherweight.

Imagine if this was Mayweather's record the bashing that would be going on

Those above post has nothing to do with Pac's greatness in boxing because Pac already achieved it when he fought Barrera the first time who considered by many as top 3 p4p. Read my previous post. Those other Pac achievement recently were only icing of the cake on his boxing career. May I remind you also that Pac started at 106 and had 3 losses on his career bu it did not matter to him as what we can see where he is now.

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the question is why is the 1p4p fighter today is number 1 when he is boring as ****.

[MikeBrew328]

There's a problem with Manny Pacquiao at #1 P4P...He's beatable. And has been beaten.

Is Floyd beatable in this generation? Highly doubtful.

I guarantee if they did that Floyd would go all the way back down to 135 and fight Pacquiao, guarantee it. That would be a good fight

[Point Blank]

There's a problem with Manny Pacquiao at #1 P4P...He's beatable. And has been beaten.

Is Floyd beatable in this generation? Highly doubtful.

I guarantee if they did that Floyd would go all the way back down to 135 and fight Pacquiao, guarantee it. That would be a good fight

because floyd is ****ing boring as ****. unbeatable why? he hasn't fought a good fighter. pacquiao fought barrera,morales, marquez last time in a 1 year period all those greatest mexicans in the division. who the **** mayweather fought in his division? non. nuff said.

[MayweatherJr.]

I think that Pacquiao would have to put in a great performance to be considered above Mayweather. If he knocks Marquez out in round one that's very impressive, but we already know Pac is a great attacking fighter so as good as it would be, it doesn't give him any new advantage over Mayweather. Pacquiao would have to absolutely dominate Marquez, show versatility by outboxing him behind the jab, then step it up and the middle rounds before scoring a KO in about the 10th. Honestly though, Mayweather just seems head and shoulders above everyone talent-wise.



Hopkins doesn't get criticism for staying at middleweight all those years and not stepping up to fight Calzaghe, so surely the same logic should apply to every fighter?



Smaller how? If they're in the same weight division they can't be that much smaller. It's hardly as if he's an 18 stone heavyweight or something. I cannot think of a single fighter than Calzaghe had a significant height advantage over. Hopkins is taller than Calzaghe yet he fought at a lighter weight class. Pavlik is a division below Calzaghe but is taller than him. Not sure what your point is here.



Loads of fighters, almost all of them American, have never fought outside of their own country yet are on the p4p list. You're trying to say that Joe can't be p4p #1 because he hasn't fought outside of his own country. Yet this is flawed because 1) the p4p#1 has never fought outside of his own country (neither has de la Hoya or RJJ, who also attained high p4p rankings) and 2) not only has Calzaghe fought outside of the UK twice before, he's doing it again next month. He's also doing it at a heavier weight, so that's your "he should move up in weight" argument refuted as well.

Go and watch the Calzaghe fight against Richie Woodhall. The fight took place in England, and the English crowd was chanting "sheep-shagger" at Calzaghe. That's hardly home advantage.



Hopkins is in the p4p top 10. Either someone is in the list of he isn't. Hopkins age doesn't stop him beating fighters like Winky and Tarver, so it obviously doesn't stop him being in the p4p list.

Calzaghe beat every opponent in his division that he could. He's dominated for over 10 years and has held the WBO, WBA, WBC and IBF belts.

I'm not saying Calzaghe is the world's best fighter or anything like that, I just think that some of those slagging him off seem to offer ****** arguments and haven't seen many of his fights. How many have you seen?

Like I've said in the past, US is where great fighters from around the world fight. Not in UK. To be honest hopkins got my respect only when he moved up and beat tarver. ****, if toney and jones had stayed in SM and didn't move up, do you honestly think we're gonna be talking about calzaghe as of this moment? Those guys had the guts to fight bigger and better fighters, they even moved up to heavyweight and became champions. Great fighters, after dominating the division they're in, move up and try to dominate that division. That is something calzaghe never did. He even used the most bull**** excuse in the history of boxing so he won't have to fight in the us which is he's afraid of flying.