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Good read.
Roy, to me, seems like a guy who has a bad mind frame.
I mean, in interviews, he is always talking about "carrying" a guy, and not knocking him out. Letting him last and not going out there to hurt him. And when I look back he did this as early as the fight with Montell Griffin.
The proof is in the pudding. He was deeply troubled by G-Man incident. Why else do you think he stretched out all of those opponents? And the type of competition he has faced the last 10 years. and maybe is addicted to the feeling he gets in the ring. I know everyone loves success but he has been carrying on for way too long.
What I see in him, a strangely compassionate man. Deep down I think he knows he is past it. But he is fighting against himself anyway and fighting on. For somereason i find that heroic.
I dunno...Comment
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** You're blue in the face because you're holding your breath and refuse to face facts.
NOBODY has any definitive proof that Roy test positive for steroids or even took the Ripped Fuel supplement other than a press release.
The drug test, if even given, was a total joke. No established protocol like 2nd sample verification, ect, no specific test results other than Roy was 6x over the steroid limit, whatever that ****** statement means.
You chaps need to get off the Koolaide and stay with the facts which are inconclusive yea or nay. The only safe conclusion is that the 90s and maybe even the 80s or even the 70s were tainted with steroids, but few examples of steroid use exist because of either no testing or primitive testing until the the 3rd millennium, and even that testing is weak compared to track and field, Olympics, and pro cycling.Comment
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Why does he still have to be the greatest in the sport to keep going? If he still loves it and people still love seeing him thats reason enough to go on. You never know how you much can inspire other people. But as long as you can still do it and have a positive impact on people you should keep going. I've seen all Roys fights and to me he's still got. If he can come back and whoop Tarver and Johnson and ride of into the sunset that would be one of the greatest stories in sports history to me. I see no reason not to try for it at least.Comment
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To me he can still beat any of the top guys out like Calzaghe,Dawson,Kessler,Tarver,Hopkins. And Hopkins is 41.Comment
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Lengthier work out periods do not necessarily translate into greater skill development. You have to take things into consideration such as the type of training, the work ethic of the fighter, etc. If you practice a poor uppercut for an additional hour then your going to end up with a poor uppercut.What do you work on when you work-out??? Skill perhaps??? To bend it in neon: If you have 2 identical twins working on the uppercut and one works-out for an hour and the other for 2 hours. Who do you then think trows the best uppercut?????
I'm not saying steriods can't help but I honestly don't know for sure. Assuming they can it's hard to ever prove they actually helped because of all the variables involved.Comment
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Scully,
this is where you are contradicting yourself. On one hand you compare Ali's, Louis's and Robinson's late career losses to Roy's Tarver and Johnson losses then on the other you say that Roy still is better then a large portion of fighters out there. Ali and Joe Louis had abolutely nothing left to give against any portion of fighters out there. They were done.
Both Louis's and Ali's health was at question at the time they lost to Marciano and Holmes/Berbick. Ali was already starting to suffer from parkison's disease.
Roy on the other hand was/is still healthy and in great shape. And Losing to guys your own age limit who have even less ability then you whether in their prime or past their prime cannot be excused. He didn't lose to a buncha fighters in their 20's who couldn't touch him if he was at his prime. He lost to a buncha 30' somethin' year olds in Tarver and Johnson. For the first time in his career, Roy was part of a triology like other great fighters before him and he failed, not showing up for the third Tarver fight. The only way you can compare Roy to Ali is by comparing the 1978 version of Ali, who lost to Spinks but still had something in the tank to avenge that loss and retire. The difference is Ali showed up for that fight and avenged his loss, Roy didn't. No way you can compare him to the sad state Ali was in 1980.......that is pure bull**** from you.
Clearly you're a very biased Roy Jones supporter who is in love with Roy's skills but skills aren't everything, it's what you do with them. As evidenced against Tito, Roy still has alot left in his tank. Some are even giving him a chance at beating Joe Calzaghe. So comparing him to great old fighters who couldn't even stand on their own two feet at the brink of retirement is pure garbage.
Roy is a great fighter definitely and one of the most gifted fighters of all times but he can't even compete with the Ali's, Robinson's, Leonard's in terms of all-time greatness. These guys still managed to win some big fights in their careers when they clearly were past their prime. You're making excuses for Roy being untouchable at his prime but since he lost a step or two while still being better then a large portion of active fighters, his losses should be excused. I don't think so.Last edited by Vladimir303; 03-15-2008, 04:41 PM.Comment
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I also agree. Excellent thread. But like said before Robbinson>Jones p4p but only slightly.Comment
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