Danny Williams says David haye will punch harder than wlad klitschko

[*2TOUGH*]

What the hell makes you say Bonin has a good chin??....Bonin is a tomato can bum that got KO'd by Fraudley and knocked down by other fellow tomato cans.

Beating a nobody bum like Bonin proves jack ****.

Audley would beat any heavyweight on his good day

[OldSkool]

I think Haye should weigh 225 as a heavyweight but not more.

i think Wlad Owns should stop being a shameless nuthugger and get a life!

[duffgun]

Honestly dude, I don't know where you come up with this stuff.

Haye has fought ONE fight at HW, a journeyman with an inflated record who had already been starched by Audley Harrison.

Haye has beat 4 200lb plus fighters.

[.Mik.]

I agree with all that. Haye is going to need a good chin to be successful at HW. I don't think putting on muscle strengthens your chin any.

I just read an interview with Cro-Crop where he admitted that he'd beefed up for his latest victory to give himself more punch resistance. I tend to believe him when he says its what happens. In the case with Haye, I think that its more a matter of not draining himself (which definitely DOES effect your punch resistance). I doubt that he'll ever have a granite chin, but at heavyweight you can quite often go without taking huge clean punches all the time, cos most of those guys are afraid to punch anyway.

[kayjay]

Danny Williams is a third-class boxer trying to hype his countryman.

Do any more Limeys want to use what he says as if it were meaningful?

Go cosmopolitan, gentlemen. Lately all te English posters are deluded patriots.

[kayjay]

I just read an interview with Cro-Crop where he admitted that he'd beefed up for his latest victory to give himself more punch resistance. I tend to believe him when he says its what happens. In the case with Haye, I think that its more a matter of not draining himself (which definitely DOES effect your punch resistance). I doubt that he'll ever have a granite chin, but at heavyweight you can quite often go without taking huge clean punches all the time, cos most of those guys are afraid to punch anyway.

Mik, Haye's punch resistance does not stand to improve much. He WAS ALREADY PACKING ON TOO MUCH WEIGHT at 199. Why do some people miss the obvious?

[Randall_Hopkirk]

Haye's troubles have stemmed from getting clipped on the top of the head (Mock, Mormeck). Does that count as having a bad 'chin'?

[.Mik.]

He's not packing on too much at 199. He blatantly boils down to that weight. I'd wager that his ideal walking around weight is probably around 220lbs and his ideal fighting weight is about 5lbs lighter than that as he always seems in fairly good fighting condition (part and parcel of being a pin-up poster-boy). So he probably will be packing on a bit too much in order to move properly up to heavyweight and it likely wont improve his chin TOO much, but it should help his legs out a bit and it was his legs that went when he fought Thompson and almost went against Mormeck.

[BrooklynBomber]

Mik, Haye's punch resistance does not stand to improve much. He WAS ALREADY PACKING ON TOO MUCH WEIGHT at 199. Why do some people miss the obvious?

People think that 30 pounds of muscle(and at HW Haye looked already too bulked up) are gonna make him a better fighter. Wrong. Why do you think Wlad does not bulk up to 260(and he could do that easily), because bulking up with muscle is a good example of a law of diminishing returns. The more you bulk up(granted you even got a frame for bulking up in the first place) the less explosiveness(and that is the only reason why a smart HW fighter would bulk up with muscle) you are gonna get. On the other hand every ounce of muscle is gonna make you slower in a long run and that goes especially for the later rounds.

[kayjay]

He's not packing on too much at 199. He blatantly boils down to that weight. I'd wager that his ideal walking around weight is probably around 220lbs and his ideal fighting weight is about 5lbs lighter than that as he always seems in fairly good fighting condition (part and parcel of being a pin-up poster-boy). So he probably will be packing on a bit too much in order to move properly up to heavyweight and it likely wont improve his chin TOO much, but it should help his legs out a bit and it was his legs that went when he fought Thompson and almost went against Mormeck.

He's got too much in his pectorals and biceps. That's where his weight is. Compare his body to Wlad's. Wlad is just as ripped without the bulk. If he bulked as much as Haye does already at CW, he'd fight at 265 instead of 238

Look at Haye's frame, it's thin as a rail.

It's like you read the news clips without looking at the pictures. When you say "his ideal walking around weight," you're not factoring the needless muscle he's already got on.