Lewis, overated or a true Heavyweight great?

[Italian250]

Uh, let's see...was either a champion or top contender for 13 years of his career, held the world heavyweight title or 8 years total, destroyed Michael Grant, Andrew Golota, Mike Tyson, Tommy Morrison, and Razor Ruddock when ALL were deemed be be a valid threat..Overrated?? U gotta be kidding! Top 7-8 at the VERY LEAST.

[whdempsey]

Just because you don't think the Cruiserweight class exists doesn't make it disappear, because I announce plenty of them. It is recognized by the major sanctioning bodies, whether the fight fans approve or not is of no matter.

Second Dempsey fought in a time that you must admit did not feature the talent of boxers today, back then fighters who faced Demspey ranged from guys who were trying to make a dollar to feed themselves to drunks in mining towns! There were really only a handful of men who fought for a living and we all know it.

One fighter Demspey REFUSED to get into the ring with, was Sam "The Boston Tar Baby" Langford who fought against Sam McVea no less than 15 times between 1911 and 1920. Just one example, as I too can back my stuff up. Boxing is a sport of records, it's just too easy with the internet now, so I am not impressed by statements of "I'll name guys if I have to" save the macho stat finding internet nerd crap.

Let's talk boxing, if you think fighters with a 60lb. weight advantage belong in the same division, then YOU should get into the ring with a guy that much bigger than you and give it a go, I say you will have your mind changed for you in the 1st round!! LOL

I never said it doesn't exist, I said it shouldn't. Furthermore, try KO Bill Brennan, Fred Fulton, Carl Morris, Jess Willard, Luis Angel Firpo. All of them were bigger than Dempsey, all of them were valid contenders at the time, and all of them were knckout victims.

And as for fighting guys that are bigger than me, mebbe you should talk to anyone at my gym. Those are the only ones I'll fight.

Furthermore, what in the world does Sam Langford have to do with Jack Dempsey beating bigger men? Langford was being beaten blind when Jack was champ, although I'll gladly admit it's a shame he never got a title chance.

And as for trying to impress anyone here, who's trying impress whom, o great announcer? Why don't you leave your announcing bull **** somewhere else? No one here gives a ****. It proves nothing about your boxing knowledge. And you're too condescending for words, little man.

Frankly, I would have left names in the original post except I didn't feel like going to boxrec.com and finishing it. After all, you should just be able to accept the fact that Dempsey is a Giant-killer. That's boxing convention, and if there's anyone who should know about boxing, you seem to think it's a two-bit fight announcer.

[semjasa]

Id like to know everyones opinions on Lennox Lewis. Theres been a horrible void in the heavyweight scene lately, but after years of not getting respected, does Lennox now deserve to be regarded in the top 10 all time heavyweights?

Top 5 easy

[Soundtraveler]

C'mon Dempsey!
You did say, "Besides which, you sidestepped my overall argument about the cruiserweight class not existing."

Well,excuse me if I read that as you saying the Cruiserweight division doesn't exist!

You are the one who brought up Dempsey in the 1st place, as the thread was about Marciano vs Lewis. I merely added another name to show an example of the lack of talented full-time fighters in the era of Dempsey, which was why Langford fought McVea 15 times!Get it?! By the way, I meant to type "Let's save the macho stat finding internet nerd crap" I simply forgot to type the word "let's". But if that is all it takes to get you miffed, I can say for sure I have seen enough fights as a "Ring Announcer" to tell you won't go far in the sport - you need to learn to keep your cool dude!

Frankly, I am proud to be a ring announcer, I consider it a time honored tradition and I love having the best seat in the house.

I will make no opologies for what I do for a living. Not too many people can get up there and do what ring announcers do on live t.v. and in front of thousands of people. DEAL WITH IT - I DO!

[marvdave]

C'mon Dempsey!
You did say, "Besides which, you sidestepped my overall argument about the cruiserweight class not existing."

Well,excuse me if I read that as you saying the Cruiserweight division doesn't exist!

You are the one who brought up Dempsey in the 1st place, as the thread was about Marciano vs Lewis. I merely added another name to show an example of the lack of talented full-time fighters in the era of Dempsey, which was why Langford fought McVea 15 times!Get it?! By the way, I meant to type "Let's save the macho stat finding internet nerd crap" I simply forgot to type the word "let's". But if that is all it takes to get you miffed, I can say for sure I have seen enough fights as a "Ring Announcer" to tell you won't go far in the sport - you need to learn to keep your cool dude!

Frankly, I am proud to be a ring announcer, I consider it a time honored tradition and I love having the best seat in the house.

I will make no opologies for what I do for a living. Not too many people can get up there and do what ring announcers do on live t.v. and in front of thousands of people. DEAL WITH IT - I DO!

didn't realize e had a celebrity in the house. Where do you do ring announcing? care to give a name?

[tracylee]

C'mon Dempsey!
You did say, "Besides which, you sidestepped my overall argument about the cruiserweight class not existing."

Well,excuse me if I read that as you saying the Cruiserweight division doesn't exist!

You are the one who brought up Dempsey in the 1st place, as the thread was about Marciano vs Lewis. I merely added another name to show an example of the lack of talented full-time fighters in the era of Dempsey, which was why Langford fought McVea 15 times!Get it?! By the way, I meant to type "Let's save the macho stat finding internet nerd crap" I simply forgot to type the word "let's". But if that is all it takes to get you miffed, I can say for sure I have seen enough fights as a "Ring Announcer" to tell you won't go far in the sport - you need to learn to keep your cool dude!

Frankly, I am proud to be a ring announcer, I consider it a time honored tradition and I love having the best seat in the house.

I will make no opologies for what I do for a living. Not too many people can get up there and do what ring announcers do on live t.v. and in front of thousands of people. DEAL WITH IT - I DO!

I'd love to have your job!!! I'd pay 'them' instead of them having to pay me to do it

[SonnyG8R]

1) ali
foreman
lewis
tyson
frasier
norton
toney

No offense but except for Ali at #1 this list is a joke.

[Soundtraveler]

Thank you Tracylee and to answer MarvDave, No celeb here but maybe one day - I mostly work on the Gulf Coast, and I had the pleasure of working the entire undercard of the RJJ vs Johnson fight a few weeks ago in Memphis - Mr. Buffer of course worked the Main Event as he is under contract with HBO. The undercard was televised in Europe but not the U.S..(bummer!)

An HBO contract is something that I am hoping to achieve myself one day.
I have worked entire events on ESPN, Foxsports, etc. also did a gig on Showtime. It is a blast to work big crowds, I love it!

[Soundtraveler]

By the way Dempsey, Langford had nearly 200 wins - mostly by ko during the "Great Jack Dempsey era", so when was he getting "beaten blind" as you put it? Just wondering...

[whdempsey]

By the way Dempsey, Langford had nearly 200 wins - mostly by ko during the "Great Jack Dempsey era", so when was he getting "beaten blind" as you put it? Just wondering...

He was beaten blind during the years that Jack Dempsey was champion. I mean it literally, it's not an indictment of Sam's skill. He could no longer see. Sam Langford was as tough as they came, and he would have had a better chance at beating Dempsey than Harry Wills. Well, except for that bit about him not being able to see.

Excuse me for misunderstanding your statement, and forgive me for insulting you. You have every right to be proud of your career. I went too far. Forgive me. Also, I did not mean to type that it doesn't exist. Mea culpa. Furthermore, I can understand why such a statement would bother you, since it irritates me when people insist that so-and-so "beat" another fighter, just because the official verdict was controversial. I meant to type should not exist. I'm sure you know how these things go.

But you have to admit, you are pretty condescending a lotta the time.

Nonetheless, I stand by my arguments. The cruiserweight class is depriving us of a much more competitive heavyweight class, as evidenced by the success which fighters such as Jack Dempsey had against larger men. If you don't agree, so be it. I will simply always believe you're wrong.

As for my ring career, we'll have to wait and see. I actually have very tight control over my emotions. It's harder to tell through a monitor.