Lewis, overated or a true Heavyweight great?

[hollister]

And **** you Old goofball, I never said that neither of you had any boxing knowledge until just now. I asked Jose over and over to prove that Dempsey never fought black fighters, and he refused to answer the question, and then you have to defend his ****** ass with what you were told by your grampa. I'm not disrespecting your grampa, but godammit, Jose made a ****** post and wouldn't back it up with anything but that article, written by someone who wasn't there, that really was inconclusive to say the least. If I'm wrong, show me where, and I'll admit it, but he said Dempsey ducked all black fighters, without specifying in which part of his career, which led me to believe he meant the whole career, mental midget? Is that all you've got? I mean, since you're not going to be able to show me why I am what you say I am, why not reach a little higher? Jackass

[oldgringo]

In fact, two people do, their names are Jose and Old gringo, learn to fight your own battles, and learn to choose the battles you fight and limit them to the ones you can win with actual knowledge.

Heres one case where you started talking about boxing knowledge before your last post...before I said anything to you or even contradicted a post you made. I didn't state anything I said as fact...I just said it's what I heard and understood. Post #99 and #101 featured you talking **** about me for saying some harmless ****. Is there anything else I need to say? I'm allowed to post whatever the **** I want and from what I UNDERSTAND...Jack Dempsey ducked black fighters. Is the thought of that too hard for you to fathom? Dude hollister I can ****in agree and disagree with whoever I want but you were out of line putting my name in your mouth when I never brought you into any of my posts. I have no problem with you...

[Sir_Jose]

And **** you Old goofball, I never said that neither of you had any boxing knowledge until just now. I asked Jose over and over to prove that Dempsey never fought black fighters, and he refused to answer the question, and then you have to defend his ****** ass with what you were told by your grampa. I'm not disrespecting your grampa, but godammit, Jose made a ****** post and wouldn't back it up with anything but that article, written by someone who wasn't there, that really was inconclusive to say the least. If I'm wrong, show me where, and I'll admit it, but he said Dempsey ducked all black fighters, without specifying in which part of his career, which led me to believe he meant the whole career, mental midget? Is that all you've got? I mean, since you're not going to be able to show me why I am what you say I am, why not reach a little higher? Jackass

Jose was always talking his reign as champion dumbass. It was always about him defending against black black fighters. Jose talked about him sitting out for long amounts of time, now when did he sit out for long amounts of time in his careeer? was it when he wasn't champion?...oh no thats right it wasn't until he was champion.

my god its like your simple.

[the GREAT one]

He's top 10 no doubt. Lewis like Holmes will not be apricated until he's been gone awhile. People let there personal feelings get in the way when talking about Lewis, cause they dont like him as aperson or think he was boring they dont give him as much credit as he deserves, but at the end of the day his resume is as good as any heavyweight who has ever fought.

His numbers stack up against anyone

Gold Medal
3 Time heavyweight Champion(Holyfield and Ali are the other two)
16 Title defenses over 10 years(3rd behind Louis and Holmes)
Beaten every man he has every fought(Only Marciano can say that)

He's in the 5-10 range and should always be put above Holyfield and Tyson.

MY TOP 10
1 Ali
2 Louis
3 Forman
4 Tyson
5 Holmes
6 Hoyfield
7 Marciano
i wouldnt put Lewis higher than any of the above....
lewis's claim 2fame beating a well passed his prime Tyson,beating (not stoppin)a very old Holyfield...gettin lucky against unlucky Klitchko(no remach).....

[Soundtraveler]

Sorry Great One, but Lewis would have beaten Tyson in his prime too, two reasons, first, Tyson has never been good at fighting really tall fighters, he had trouble with everyone over 6'3". Second reason, Iron Mike, even in his prime has always become very ordinary after the 5th round, check the stats, his win % dropped immediately after the 5th. Lewis would tie him up when he got too close, and beat him just the same way he did when they finally stepped into the ring in Memphis.

Marciano, as great as he was, would be no more than an good sized Cruiserweight by todays standards, he is simply too small to beat a Lewis, who would, as he did Tyson and so many others, just simply rain down punches from above while keeping him at bay with that long jab of his. Marciano was tough and might have made it to the final bell, but the decision would be a loppsided one.

As for the rest of your list I agree with the names with only a slight difference in rank....

[J !]

Sorry Great One, but Lewis would have beaten Tyson in his prime too, two reasons, first, Tyson has never been good at fighting really tall fighters, he had trouble with everyone over 6'3". Second reason, Iron Mike, even in his prime has always become very ordinary after the 5th round, check the stats, his win % dropped immediately after the 5th. Lewis would tie him up when he got too close, and beat him just the same way he did when they finally stepped into the ring in Memphis.

Marciano, as great as he was, would be no more than an good sized Cruiserweight by todays standards, he is simply too small to beat a Lewis, who would, as he did Tyson and so many others, just simply rain down punches from above while keeping him at bay with that long jab of his. Marciano was tough and might have made it to the final bell, but the decision would be a loppsided one.

As for the rest of your list I agree with the names with only a slight difference in rank....

FINALLY AN INFORMED AND DECENT POST IN A SEA OF PISS AND NAME CALLING! Good work fella

[miron_lang]

Lennox Lewis is a Top 10. maybe at 8 to 10th spot.

[Soundtraveler]

My personal all time favorite fantasy fight would be a Cruiserweighted Holyfield vs Marciano, now THAT would be a WAR!!!

[whdempsey]

This is not some unknown boxing theory that I just made up. This is commen boxing knowledge. When Jack Dempsey became World Champion he flat out refuse to fight black fighters. No I dont beleive he was "afraid" but weather he was afraid or it was business he didn't want to have anything to do with putting his World Title on the line against a black man.

Thats Boxing 101

Well, you spelled common wrong, but I'm still willing to agree with part of your statement. As long as you can admit that it was politics that kept him from fighting black men, that he had a fight scheduled with Harry Wills in 1926 that was cancelled, and also that he probably would have beaten Will (although probably not Langford had that fight ever been made), I'm willing to concede that Dempsey ignored black fighters early in his reign. Oh, one more thing. He deserves to be in the top ten.

[whdempsey]

And another thing, this all came about because you said that Dempsey doesn't deserve to be in the all-time heavyweight elite. I would like you to remember that. That's simply insane.