Should David Haye be considered...

[Mike Tyson77]

No...... .......

really? what's your top 20 list man?

[squealpiggy]

Does anyone realize that the p4p title and list was invented and is meant for all NON-Heavy Weight fighters.

You can be p4p and a heavyweight. But you have to be a particularly good heavyweight, and one who doesn't always rely on being bigger than their opponent. Which is why Wlad isn't.

[Left2body]

You can be p4p and a heavyweight. But you have to be a particularly good heavyweight, and one who doesn't always rely on being bigger than their opponent. Which is why Wlad isn't.

For the most part and IMHO increasingly so......heavyweights are the least skilled of the divisions and are highly dependent on pure talent (power, chin) than any other division.

Just look at the footwork and coordination of any top heavyweight and anyone can see its not even close to that of other top fighters in the lower divisions. **** they make Margarito and Mayorga look like Fred Astaire.

I just can't see myself putting any HW on the p4p list.

[oldgringo]

I think it's fair to say that he is one of the 20 best boxers in the world right now regardless of weight.

Klitschko
Haye
Dawson
Hopkins
Calzaghe
Kessler
Wright
Pavlik
Mayweather
Cotto
Hatton
Witter
Guzman
JM Marquez
Pacquiao
Linares
Vazquez
R Marquez
Mijares
Calderon

These guys look like the 20 best boxers in the world right now to me. I have trouble saying that Campbell is heads and shoulders the best guy in his division, despite the great performance last night, so I didn't include him (or any other lightweight).

Haye has straight up destroyed pretty much everyone he has been in the ring with and he has grown considerably since facing Thompson. I'd like to see him fight Steve Cunningham and O'Neil Bell, but I understand he'll be after the Heavyweights now. Cunningham is a pretty skilled, physically gifted fighter. Both he and Bell are tough ****s too...they'll fight anywhere.

[squealpiggy]

For the most part and IMHO increasingly so......heavyweights are the least skilled of the divisions and are highly dependent on pure talent (power, chin) than any other division.

Just look at the footwork and coordination of any top heavyweight and anyone can see its not even close to that of other top fighters in the lower divisions. **** they make Margarito and Mayorga look like Fred Astaire.

I just can't see myself putting any HW on the p4p list.

Not at the moment, but in the past certainly there have been some guys. Muhammad Ali for example, or Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Rocky Marciano...

[Banderivets]

I bet the only Haye fight 90% of people on this forum have seen is the Macca fight, and now eryone pretends as if they know WTF they are talking about.

[Left2body]

Not at the moment, but in the past certainly there have been some guys. Muhammad Ali for example, or Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Rocky Marciano...

Thats why I said for the most part and also add INCREASINGLY so since I believe this is more of the case with the SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS. The last highly skilled HW's IMO were Chris Byrd and James Toney. They won fights dispite being smaller and having no power. They used skill to compete against those more physicaly suited for the HW division.