David Haye vs Evander Holyfield (Prime) @ Cruiserweight

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  • LondonRingRules
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    #11
    Originally posted by beez721
    this is a no brainer. holyfield wears haye down and stops him. holyfield was just better in every category besides power
    ** Holy was a small cruiser compared to Haye.

    It's a valid comparison, but hard to make because of changes in boxing. Haye is still developing as a fighter and not only training down to fit in the division, but dehydrating to make weight. The guy's ring weight is comparable to Holy's highest career ring weights. Lot more evidence also points that Haye didn't need steroids like Holy seems to have.

    Match couldn't have been made in Holy's cruiser days because he's too small. As a heavy, Holy was fortunate to have enough legs to get away from ol'man George, but Bowe hurt him several times and got him once, so let's not make like he's bulletproof. That's the real reason why he stayed down at cruiser rather than challenge Tyson at his best. He could barely get by Qawi back then, so what basis do you think he could take on a quicker, stronger, younger KO artist heavy like Haye? Must be false assumptions about the Thompson fight I guess.

    Haye will mature around the 220-225 mark, completely shredded, and already is a KO artist, much like LH legend Michael Moorer who also moved up and did a number on Holy. Haye doesn't yet have Holy's heavy credentials, but he's started out rightfully as a legend in the making. Take away Holy's "alleged" steroid advantage, and I'd take Haye hands down at a comparable age. Guy hits a lot harder than Qawi, Ricky Parkey, or Tillman and bigger/stronger to boot.

    Haye has to prove himself in a new era of heavies, so we'll see if he can make the adjustment. Best just keep to the rhetoric about Wlad and save the ringwork for the other fall guys like Chagaev who really doesn't want to fight any more and looking for an excuse to bail. Like to see Haye develop some footwork and just move around and pop Peter Pants in the mouth at will. That'd be fun, so we'll see where he sorts himself out at.

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      #12
      Evander Holifield via tko late.

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        #13
        Originally posted by _Ricky_
        Who wins? I don't know if anyone under 200 lbs can take bombs from Haye.

        He has beaten two great Cruiserweights in his past two fights and made it look easy.

        How would this go down?
        come on Evander Holyfield

        Haye has to prove his name can be mentioned alongside Evander ,all i see is Evander absorbing what Haye can Dish out only to finish off a tired David Haye in the later rounds

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          #14
          Originally posted by LondonRingRules
          ** Holy was a small cruiser compared to Haye.

          It's a valid comparison, but hard to make because of changes in boxing. Haye is still developing as a fighter and not only training down to fit in the division, but dehydrating to make weight. The guy's ring weight is comparable to Holy's highest career ring weights. Lot more evidence also points that Haye didn't need steroids like Holy seems to have.

          Match couldn't have been made in Holy's cruiser days because he's too small. As a heavy, Holy was fortunate to have enough legs to get away from ol'man George, but Bowe hurt him several times and got him once, so let's not make like he's bulletproof. That's the real reason why he stayed down at cruiser rather than challenge Tyson at his best. He could barely get by Qawi back then, so what basis do you think he could take on a quicker, stronger, younger KO artist heavy like Haye? Must be false assumptions about the Thompson fight I guess.

          Haye will mature around the 220-225 mark, completely shredded, and already is a KO artist, much like LH legend Michael Moorer who also moved up and did a number on Holy. Haye doesn't yet have Holy's heavy credentials, but he's started out rightfully as a legend in the making. Take away Holy's "alleged" steroid advantage, and I'd take Haye hands down at a comparable age. Guy hits a lot harder than Qawi, Ricky Parkey, or Tillman and bigger/stronger to boot.

          Haye has to prove himself in a new era of heavies, so we'll see if he can make the adjustment. Best just keep to the rhetoric about Wlad and save the ringwork for the other fall guys like Chagaev who really doesn't want to fight any more and looking for an excuse to bail. Like to see Haye develop some footwork and just move around and pop Peter Pants in the mouth at will. That'd be fun, so we'll see where he sorts himself out at.
          This is one of the best analysis I've read in a while.

          Solid.

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            #15
            Holy has a better chin and was a more skillful fighter. He would win by stoppage.

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              #16
              Originally posted by LondonRingRules
              ** Holy was a small cruiser compared to Haye.

              It's a valid comparison, but hard to make because of changes in boxing. Haye is still developing as a fighter and not only training down to fit in the division, but dehydrating to make weight. The guy's ring weight is comparable to Holy's highest career ring weights. Lot more evidence also points that Haye didn't need steroids like Holy seems to have.

              Match couldn't have been made in Holy's cruiser days because he's too small. As a heavy, Holy was fortunate to have enough legs to get away from ol'man George, but Bowe hurt him several times and got him once, so let's not make like he's bulletproof. That's the real reason why he stayed down at cruiser rather than challenge Tyson at his best. He could barely get by Qawi back then, so what basis do you think he could take on a quicker, stronger, younger KO artist heavy like Haye? Must be false assumptions about the Thompson fight I guess.

              Haye will mature around the 220-225 mark, completely shredded, and already is a KO artist, much like LH legend Michael Moorer who also moved up and did a number on Holy. Haye doesn't yet have Holy's heavy credentials, but he's started out rightfully as a legend in the making. Take away Holy's "alleged" steroid advantage, and I'd take Haye hands down at a comparable age. Guy hits a lot harder than Qawi, Ricky Parkey, or Tillman and bigger/stronger to boot.

              Haye has to prove himself in a new era of heavies, so we'll see if he can make the adjustment. Best just keep to the rhetoric about Wlad and save the ringwork for the other fall guys like Chagaev who really doesn't want to fight any more and looking for an excuse to bail. Like to see Haye develop some footwork and just move around and pop Peter Pants in the mouth at will. That'd be fun, so we'll see where he sorts himself out at.
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              Holyfield was hurt by Bowe what do u think Bowe would have done to Haye if he had hit Haye ,Bowe would have knocked Haye into next week

              Holyfield is not bulletproof but that is commonsense any fighter can be hurt but the difference between Holyfield is he has the capacity to recover quickly from Punches and regroup and that is why he would take everytihng Haye could offer and dish out better ,as For Michael Moorer he was a Southpaw i dont think Haye is a Southpaw & Moorer got a beat down in the rematch anyway

              Holyfiled matured as a fighter as he got older the Evander that went to war and gave oponents that chance to KO him like Bowe ,Cooper etc that was not a prime Holyfield the problem with Holyfield in those days was he had an inferiority complex cause everyone thought Mike Tyson was the real champ and he was just a blown up cruiser holding onto the title so he would go to war when he did'nt need to when he should have been Boxing ,comparing Evander from his Qawi days is like taking Haye from his Carl Thompson days and saying how would he fair against Holyfield ,that version of Haye would get took to school by Evander Holyfield

              its like saying that cause Calzaghe was younger when he fought Robin Reid that he was a better fighter than the one that fought Kessler or Lacy ,age and maturity are 2 different things in Boxing

              do me a favour on the Tyson issue aswell he was Overated foutht nobodys in his prime and Evander beats him everyday of the week at any stage of Mikes Career ,back him up and he was useless

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                #17
                Originally posted by Terrible...
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                Holyfield was hurt by Bowe what do u think Bowe would have done to Haye if he had hit Haye ,Bowe would have knocked Haye into next week

                Holyfield is not bulletproof but that is commonsense any fighter can be hurt but the difference between Holyfield is he has the capacity to recover quickly from Punches and regroup and that is why he would take everytihng Haye could offer and dish out better ,as For Michael Moorer he was a Southpaw i dont think Haye is a Southpaw & Moorer got a beat down in the rematch anyway

                Holyfiled matured as a fighter as he got older the Evander that went to war and gave oponents that chance to KO him like Bowe ,Cooper etc that was not a prime Holyfield the problem with Holyfield in those days was he had an inferiority complex cause everyone thought Mike Tyson was the real champ and he was just a blown up cruiser holding onto the title so he would go to war when he did'nt need to when he should have been Boxing ,comparing Evander from his Qawi days is like taking Haye from his Carl Thompson days and saying how would he fair against Holyfield ,that version of Haye would get took to school by Evander Holyfield

                its like saying that cause Calzaghe was younger when he fought Robin Reid that he was a better fighter than the one that fought Kessler or Lacy ,age and maturity are 2 different things in Boxing

                do me a favour on the Tyson issue aswell he was Overated foutht nobodys in his prime and Evander beats him everyday of the week at any stage of Mikes Career ,back him up and he was useless
                lol wow tyson overrated :P tell bruno,larry,spinks and bebick that lol

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by sterling
                  lol wow tyson overrated :P tell bruno,larry,spinks and bebick that lol
                  yeah cause Spinks Bruno Were great Heavyweights

                  Holmes was collecting his old age pension when he fought Tyson

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                  • LondonRingRules
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Terrible...
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                    do me a favour on the Tyson issue aswell he was Overated foutht nobodys in his prime and Evander beats him everyday of the week at any stage of Mikes Career ,back him up and he was useless
                    ** Do everyone a favor and find a translater to give you a comprehension breakdown on what I posted.

                    AGE to AGE, Haye is bigger, stronger, more powerful puncher taking out bigger stronger, more powerful fighters than Holy was. FACT.

                    Now, go get someone to review box rec and record the birthdates and records of all the fighters Tyson took apart in title defenses, mostly bigger, stronger, better fighters than Ali first 10 title matches. Obviously better than Holmes since half of them Holmes ducked to pad out his record chasing Rocky. Since nobody provided a rating of Tyson for you to contest, he is not overrated.

                    Had Holy always been able to beat Tyson, they wouldn't have been fighting for chumpchange in the cruiser division for so long. Economic FACT, Jack.

                    Now, maybe you still think age to age Holy can take Haye. Fine, that's your unsubstantiated opinion with no facts to back you.

                    Don't argue with the facts, Jack. Get your translator to scare you up some.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by DWiens421
                      As hard as Haye is said to punch, I'm pretty sure that Rid**** Bowe, Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson could probably pack a harder punch, and Holyfield stood up to all of them (except for when his heart decided to stop working in the third fight), so...

                      Holyfield probably uses his skills to wear Haye down, as was said earlier in this thread.
                      wasn't it hapatitis c that stopped holyfield in the 3rd fight with bowe with the heart problems hindering him in the moorer fight

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