Was Zab Judah the undisputerd 147 lb champ when he TKO'd Spinks?

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  • TheGreatA
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    #11
    I have noticed though that the more times a lineal championship changes hands, the less credible the champion seems to be.

    Follow the line of people that had the welterweight title... doesn't it seem to get worse every single time it changes hands? Something interesting to think about?
    What about Floyd Mayweather? Okay I guess even he is not a credible champion to some (because he doesn't defend his title against top WW's) but he is a credible boxer.

    I think it has something to do with their popularity and because they couldn't establish themselves as great champions.

    DLH was one of the biggest names in the sport of boxing when Mosley beat him so Shane became popular as well.
    Mosley wasn't as established a name as DLH was and Forrest didn't get the instant popularity Mosley did when he beat DLH.
    Forrest could've become popular eventually but he f***ed up when he lost two times to Ricardo Mayorga of all people.
    Mayorga was popular because of his personality but he lost a total borefest of a fight against Cory Spinks.
    Spinks beat Judah with a decision and became somewhat popular but lost by TKO to Zab in his own hometown after having flash entrances, rap musicians and stuff.
    Judah was popular but he lost to journeyman Baldomir.
    Baldomir was getting popular (because he was a huge underdog) but got completely schooled by Floyd Mayweather.

    Now Mayweather is one of the most popular boxers and the man who will beat him will gain credibility for sure.
    Last edited by TheGreatA; 03-07-2008, 02:49 PM.

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    • Fox McCloud
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      #12
      Well it goes without saying that the #1 ranked P4P fighter is a credible champ...

      But riddle me this. Is Floyd the only fighter that could have beaten Carlos Baldomir? That just goes to prove that the more the lineal championship changes hands, the less credible the champion is... usually. Floyd broke the trend.

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      • letsgobrady
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        #13
        zab had 3 of the 4 major titles at ww thats why he was the undisputed ww champ

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        • Easy-E
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          #14
          yeah, but the correct term would be lineal champion.
          However, if the belt orginizations were not so corrput, he would have technically been the undisputed champion.

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          • COACH WEBB
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            #15
            Ok, I am a little confused about the question...when they fought here in St.Louis, Cory WAS the undisputed champion at 47...AFTER he knocked out Cory, he BECAME the Undisputed Champion at 147.....hope that helps.

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            • C'MONMANG'
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              #16
              Floyd is not the undisputed WW CHAMPION. he is the lineal and recognized because he beat the man who beat the man..there is a dispute to his claim though becuase since day one he has refused to fight the #1 ranked guy in his division. THERE IS A DISPUTE TO HIS CLAIM...

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              • warp1432
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                #17
                Originally posted by DWiens421
                Well it goes without saying that the #1 ranked P4P fighter is a credible champ...

                But riddle me this. Is Floyd the only fighter that could have beaten Carlos Baldomir? That just goes to prove that the more the lineal championship changes hands, the less credible the champion is... usually. Floyd broke the trend.
                Well if Gatti had beaten Baldomir then yeah...but that wasn't the case.

                Baldomir actually looked pretty good in the Gatti and Judah fights. I think he is pretty underrated if I do say so myself.

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                • THe TRiNiTY
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                  #18
                  The fact that there are even THRE people who think he wasn't.. makes me ashamed of this ****.

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                  • C'MONMANG'
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by warp1432
                    Well if Gatti had beaten Baldomir then yeah...but that wasn't the case.

                    Baldomir actually looked pretty good in the Gatti and Judah fights. I think he is pretty underrated if I do say so myself.

                    Vernon Forrest won EVERY round against Baldo except one and he did it going toe toe.. Baldo , although very tough, is VERY average.

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                    • Fox McCloud
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by c'monmang'
                      Floyd is not the undisputed WW CHAMPION. he is the lineal and recognized because he beat the man who beat the man..there is a dispute to his claim though becuase since day one he has refused to fight the #1 ranked guy in his division. THERE IS A DISPUTE TO HIS CLAIM...
                      I think there is some credence to this.

                      While Floyd beat the lineal champion to become champion, Cotto has been vanquishing some of the bigger names in the division, while he is holding one of the belts in the division. Considering how many people think Cotto is the man at 147, I would say there is some dispute to who the champion is.

                      Originally posted by c'monmang'
                      Vernon Forrest won EVERY round against Baldo except one and he did it going toe toe.. Baldo , although very tough, is VERY average.
                      His chin is the only thing above-average about him in my estimation. Tough as ****, you aren't kidding about that.

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