Who Can Beat Miguel Cotto?

[Addison]

Look at younger, elite fighters in any respective division and you're telling me there is a guy who cannot be had by a given punch? Vulnerable to damage? Cotto has been hurt twice at JWW and he was rocked by Zabdiel.

-Pavlik has been hurt and buzzed on a few occasions
-Calderon was badly hurt by Cazares
-Klitschko...well...
-David Haye blew his wad and was stopped by the cat
-Ricky Hatton is a clear example

And on down the line. Every elite fighter is vulnerable to damage. Cotto is fighting at a high level, against very good competition, and he finds a way to get it done regardless of his defensive aptitude and past punch resistance issues. You are focusing on the damage he has taken poorly while completely disregarding a lot of the hard shots he has taken well.

Shots to the chin haven't exactly been his issue.

This is why you're among the very best worldwide who debates the sport of Boxing online, OG.. ^^ I like Klitchsko and Haye as examples.. Two missle strikes to my command center.

The only major difference between Cotto and the key guys here that you mention is that they have the kind of one punch power to bail themselves out of disaster, and Cotto does not. This is going to be more than just theory at some point.. Believe me. Cotto does fight like a savage though when he gets dinged, and it was clearly evident against Mosley. Shane was backing off from the damage he was causing because he couldn't live with Cotto's damage-controlled return assault. Cotto hits hard when he's buzzin.

Of course you know that Klitchsko and Haye have already been knocked out (And let's forgive them for that.. They're getting hit by heavyweights!), and Pavlik has a steel chin rep despite having gone down..

Again, I want to take us back to my original point; yes Cotto can be hurt. You pretty much called it a no brainer.. I don't see Klitchsko, Haye, or Pavlik on the P4P list. And let's be honest here, NOBODY has been wobbled more times than Miguel Cotto the last several years. Nobody.

I was making the claim that things are unbalanced. Cotto is the highest ranked - and even out of the guys you gave me; THE most easily hurt. STILL. It's a bad formula, period.. He gets special consideration. Not the other way around.

[Addison]

I've jumped off the edge as well screaming at Cotto to block or you're gonna get KTFO. I get worried at times, but he pulls through. Much like Tito used to. At least Cotto has better defense than Tito. Tito won fights through sheer ferocity alone, because his defense was junk. Loved the guy. Should have never jumped up to MW to look for challenges. I never understood then why B-hop completely destroyed him, my understanding was casual at most.

Believe me, I envy the excitement you must have riding with Cotto through these battles. I cannot imagine the thrill of being on the razors edge with his occasional shakiness, and seeing him pull through victorious. Good post.
You took me on a ride there. Respect.

[RL_GMA]

I don't think anyone thinks Judah could win a rematch if he was only throwing 2 punches a round the way he was in the first fight.. 3 or more and he would have a pretty good ***in chance.

And you think Cotto would "crush" Margarito?

Does Margarito seem "crushable" to you?

I think the 1st few rounds it would be a close fight, but Marg seems to have trouble with the jabs as shown against Pitty Pat Paul Williams. Marg will wanna trade but I think he'll get the worse end of it.

Let's see how he does against Cintron. I'd much rather see Cotto vs margarito instead of Cotto vs Mayorga (which has been looming around as of late)

[Addison]

lol cotto seriously so over-hyped its laughable.
floyd is gonna serve him up.
odlh would stop cotto definately, cotto and his fragile chin + odlh left hook = good bye cotto.
once cotto loses hes gonna be a bum. mark my words

For a guy who is as vulnerable in the defense department and the (apparent) chin department I would have to say so.. I can't think of too many other guys in the top 5 or 10 of their divisions that are as seemingly vulnerable as Cotto, and yet so universally considered "unstoppable."
Was Darchinyan considered chinny? Because "Boxing" can happen to anyone.. Especially guys who have shaky defense, and shaky chins..

REMINDER: ^^

The examples of Pavlik, Haye, and Klitshcko would seem to hold for, OG..

But when you get in there it can be argued a bit ("P4P" and other supporting foundational backing further my side..)

[Addison]

I think the 1st few rounds it would be a close fight, but Marg seems to have trouble with the jabs as shown against Pitty Pat Paul Williams. Marg will wanna trade but I think he'll get the worse end of it.

Let's see how he does against Cintron. I'd much rather see Cotto vs margarito instead of Cotto vs Mayorga (which has been looming around as of late)

I can see what you're saying.. Of couse Margarito was having trouble with jabs that were coming from 4 inches above, and not 6 inches below.

Williams volume punching was also a factor..

I agree the Cintron fight will tell us alot.

[RL_GMA]

All the people who say Cotto's chin is suspect simply just hate on Cotto. Since he's been at WW he hasn't been seriously hurt.

He's a boxer, of course he's gonna get hit with shots against guys who can throw. Shane Mosley is regarded as one of the harder hitting WW in the last few years and he took some hard hooks and returned with straight rights and hooks of his own.

And De La Hoya would get demolished...I'm sorry. Oscar's stamina has been suspect the last few years. He'd get KO'd in 8 or 9 rounds if he tried sluggin with Cotto (which he prob would do).

[Addison]

All the people who say Cotto's chin is suspect simply just hate on Cotto. Since he's been at WW he hasn't been seriously hurt.
He's a boxer, of course he's gonna get hit with shots against guys who can throw. Shane Mosley is regarded as one of the harder hitting WW in the last few years and he took some hard hooks and returned with straight rights and hooks of his own.

And De La Hoya would get demolished...I'm sorry. Oscar's stamina has been suspect the last few years. He'd get KO'd in 8 or 9 rounds if he tried sluggin with Cotto (which he prob would do).

Whoa, whoa, whoa.. Judah didn't seriously hurt him??

Can we start there?

[KING •]

Floyd is the only person who can beat Cotto. I'm a big fan of Miguel Cotto but to be perfectly honest he's to repetitive in his approach when coming in to throw his bombs. He puts himself at risk. After seeing how Floyd countered Hatton and KO'd him with that check hook Cotto would have to make major revisions in his movement to stay alive all 12 rounds. People say Floyd is a pillow puncher but Cotto's jaw has been exposed before and if he lands one on the sweet spot its night night.

Floyd > Cotto - Round 10? KO

[Hallaqsillaq]

All the people who say Cotto's chin is suspect simply just hate on Cotto. Since he's been at WW he hasn't been seriously hurt.

He's a boxer, of course he's gonna get hit with shots against guys who can throw. Shane Mosley is regarded as one of the harder hitting WW in the last few years and he took some hard hooks and returned with straight rights and hooks of his own.

And De La Hoya would get demolished...I'm sorry. Oscar's stamina has been suspect the last few years. He'd get KO'd in 8 or 9 rounds if he tried sluggin with Cotto (which he prob would do).

I don't know if Oscar would be stopped. Bruised up a bit maybe. Can Cotto land the B-hop body punch on him? I'm sure a body shot from Cotto could hurt him, but Oscar is an old dog, the fight might play out differently than the Mosley fight, yet have a similar outcome. UD 12 Cotto Just my .02

[Hallaqsillaq]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.. Judah didn't seriously hurt him??

Can we start there?

Judah hurts people. He just seems to get some self destructive pity afterwards...