Cotto has had very good timing throughout his career, he was always a very good counterpuncher, we didn't see those skills too much against Torres, Malignaggi, Quintana or Judah because he had to come forward against those guys, against Mosley we saw some of his counterpunching skills which has been a big part of his arsenal is most of his earlier fights.
Best Timing In The Sport?
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I think it is pretty shallow to discount someone because they looked bad against Winky Wright.
Make a list of how many people have looked good against Winky Wright. I bet you can't think of a single one.
It's the exact same reason I don't understand why everyone is writing Winky Wright off for the rest of his career because he looked bad against Hopkins... The list of how many people who have looked good against Hopkins is as long as the list of people who have looked good against Wright. They both stop at 0.
Anyways, you might be right about Mijares... in reality, very few people have seen him fight, which is probably why he has not gotten mentioned frequently on this topic. I myself haven't seen him, so... I guess I gave an incomplete analysis by picking Hopkins when I have not seen all the elite level fighters fight.
i'm not counting him out... on the contrary... that was the way to include him at the top, but not at the very top because of that... cause as you said nobody looks good against wink!!
!! but that's also because he's got one of the best timing i've seen, nobody can do nothing against his jab, he blocks, slides and parries punches also... so i was kinda saying that
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Fair enough... Winky's timing is very underrated IMO.i'm not counting him out... on the contrary... that was the way to include him at the top, but not at the very top because of that... cause as you said nobody looks good against wink!!
!! but that's also because he's got one of the best timing i've seen, nobody can do nothing against his jab, he blocks, slides and parries punches also... so i was kinda saying that
Another guy not mentioned in the poll (even though I am sounding like a ****ing fanboy mentioning 2 out of my 3 favorites in this post) that has great timing is Vernon Forrest.
If you watch his last few fights, how many times has there been an opening that he didn't drop his right hand into? Not very many, which is why he was able to stop a very good defensive fighter that Mayorga couldn't stop in Piccirillo.Comment
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I had noticed it thoughout his career.I'm guessing that you came around on Cotto being an excellent fighter at timing punches after the Mosley fight, am I correct?
I remember you told me that Shane Mosley's speed was going to be the downfall of Miguel Cotto, but I saw Cotto neutralize Shane's speed in the ring that night. Even though Shane had the longer arms, he was constantly getting outjabbed, and Cotto was throwing the right shot at the right time, which I attribute to timing.
That's the fight that showed me what Cotto's secret to success was. Was it the same way for you?
I always knew it was the one BIG thing he had going for him. His mastery of timing enables to him to land clean punches that he should miss with. Punches his opponents can see coming but can't do anything about. This is still a guy with fairly rough mechanics who's not incredibly fast.. It never esaped me.
You would have to show me the post where I said Mosley's speed was going to be his downfall. I recall sayinig that Mosley's toughness was going to be the difference. I made threads about it.Comment
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Well I deleted them, but I was referring to the PM I sent you asking you what made you so sure that Mosley was going to win, and I thought you said something about his speed was going to offset Cotto, but obviously I am incorrect. I might have been thinking about someone else.I had noticed it thoughout his career.
I always knew it was the one BIG thing he had going for him. His mastery of timing enables to him to land clean punches that he should miss with. Punches his opponents can see coming but can't do anything about. This is still a guy with fairly rough mechanics who's not incredibly fast.. It never esaped me.
You would have to show me the post where I said Mosley's speed was going to be his downfall. I recall sayinig that Mosley's toughness was going to be the difference. I made threads about it.Comment
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WAR! MURDER the bastards, Tys!It's all good.
I think God himself realized that he needed to restrain me before I went out to kill all them mother****ers.
When you take away my conditioning and ability to fight for more than one minute a round, you have a somewhat level playing field come next weekend.
It doesn't matter.
I just wanna kill...
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haha... that's the same reason i didn't mention winky at first, haha... everybody was gonna state the obvious(winky sig)... but like you said i guess timing itself it's the essence of winky's success but i know not many guys see it that way... so i don't say nothing!!Fair enough... Winky's timing is very underrated IMO.
Another guy not mentioned in the poll (even though I am sounding like a ****ing fanboy mentioning 2 out of my 3 favorites in this post) that has great timing is Vernon Forrest.
If you watch his last few fights, how many times has there been an opening that he didn't drop his right hand into? Not very many, which is why he was able to stop a very good defensive fighter that Mayorga couldn't stop in Piccirillo.
and yeah, forrest is great at that matter too imo... but he depends more on his reach, and trickiness... so i guess that's why he's not mentioned by many
i forgot to mention his footwork and ring generalship that almost half the people don't seeLast edited by alexisallmighty; 03-03-2008, 05:34 AM.Comment
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Yeah, the speed thing was never my angle. I didn't anticipate that Mosley was going to win with speed, Boxing, or any cute ****. My whole claim was that Mosley was going to have to go in strong, muscled, and ready for trench warfare. The gameplan was to have him jump on Cotto and beat him down with power shots but Mosley did not come with my required level of agression until the 9th round when Jack started yelling at him. NO LIE.Well I deleted them, but I was referring to the PM I sent you asking you what made you so sure that Mosley was going to win, and I thought you said something about his speed was going to offset Cotto, but obviously I am incorrect. I might have been thinking about someone else.Comment
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