Differences between Lewis and W. Klitschko?

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  • beez721
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    #11
    Originally posted by Consiglieri
    I think a big question is when a guy is dominating a fight and has many rounds in the bag does he still try to close the show with a knockout?

    Manny Steward certainly seemed to think so Saturday night in the Klitschko-Ibragimov fight.

    Klitschko has good power, we've seen that in a lot of recent fights, but he's also smart and not going to sellout for the knockout when the fight is in hand. Lewis for the most part was that way.

    I don't take anything away from a fighter for being that way but many fans and media members will.
    I really think wlad would have went more for the knockout if sultan wasnt a southpaw. its so easy to walk into a left hand from a southpaw. he was just playing it safe. the bummer of it is there are 2 other southpaws that wald will probably fight. tony thompson a mandatory challenger and chageav,,,the wba champ. both of those fights would also likely be stinkers as wlad will just use his left hand and avoid walking into any lefts. a fight with povetkin would be much more exciting. he wouldnt be nearly as cautious with the conventional fighter

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    • LondonRingRules
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      #12
      Originally posted by silencers98
      As Lewis said on the air, he was more athletic and fluid than Wlad, he relaxed much more in the ring, Wlad can get robotic at times, Lewis also had a great uppercut and stepped in with the left hook more.
      ** Wlad is the one with more athleticism. Fluidity in the eye of the beholder.

      Lewis was not the prodigy Wlad was at age 20. Wlad brought along much faster and more accomplishments than Lewis until his train derailed. Wlad already with many more wins than Lewis.

      Wlad is faster than Lewis both of foot and hand. Better jab, equal right hand. Lewis with the more powerful left hook, but Wlad's little half hook off the jab cannot be defended against and very tricky and fast when he uses it. The Ray Austin fight if you want to see Wlad's clinic on left hooks, but don't blink as the clinic less than 2 sec.

      Lewis was just as cautious when he wanted. See the first Holy fight where he tries to keep Holy at bay and win the technical decision and the Tua fight. Lewis respected their power in advance and kept to the mapped out program, but against Grant and Briggs for example, he got drawn into brawls that he got the best off but seldom got credit for. Wlad not a brawler which is why many don't like him in spite of his technical prowess.

      Wlad has won something like 90% of the rounds he's been in and has some highlight KOs. Lewis was never accepted by Americans and neither will Wlad really be. His brother Vitali had a little more popularity because he could be drawn into brawls, but oddly never gets any credit for his technical abilities in spite of also winning 90+% of all rounds he contested.

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      • Mr. Philadel
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        #13
        Lewis had more weapons! Wlad is too predictable!

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        • Silencers
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          #14
          Originally posted by LondonRingRules
          ** Wlad is the one with more athleticism. Fluidity in the eye of the beholder.

          Lewis was not the prodigy Wlad was at age 20. Wlad brought along much faster and more accomplishments than Lewis until his train derailed. Wlad already with many more wins than Lewis.

          Wlad is faster than Lewis both of foot and hand. Better jab, equal right hand. Lewis with the more powerful left hook, but Wlad's little half hook off the jab cannot be defended against and very tricky and fast when he uses it. The Ray Austin fight if you want to see Wlad's clinic on left hooks, but don't blink as the clinic less than 2 sec.

          Lewis was just as cautious when he wanted. See the first Holy fight where he tries to keep Holy at bay and win the technical decision and the Tua fight. Lewis respected their power in advance and kept to the mapped out program, but against Grant and Briggs for example, he got drawn into brawls that he got the best off but seldom got credit for. Wlad not a brawler which is why many don't like him in spite of his technical prowess.

          Wlad has won something like 90% of the rounds he's been in and has some highlight KOs. Lewis was never accepted by Americans and neither will Wlad really be. His brother Vitali had a little more popularity because he could be drawn into brawls, but oddly never gets any credit for his technical abilities in spite of also winning 90+% of all rounds he contested.
          I can't really agree that Wlad is more athletic than Lewis, Lewis employed much more movement, especially in the upper body, Wlad doesn't seem to be able to do it.

          Wlad does have a very good left hook but he doesn't really step in with it as much as Lewis used to do.

          I agree with the rest of your post.

          Off-topic. Nice avatar. Little Red was a good fighter.

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          • Naps
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            #15
            Originally posted by DWiens421
            Their chin is the only thing that has gotten them in trouble, etc.
            I know i will get slated for this, but Lewis actually had a very good chin.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Naps
              I know i will get slated for this, but Lewis actually had a very good chin.
              His chin is better than given credit for.

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              • Consiglieri
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                #17
                Originally posted by beez721
                I really think wlad would have went more for the knockout if sultan wasnt a southpaw. its so easy to walk into a left hand from a southpaw. he was just playing it safe. the bummer of it is there are 2 other southpaws that wald will probably fight. tony thompson a mandatory challenger and chageav,,,the wba champ. both of those fights would also likely be stinkers as wlad will just use his left hand and avoid walking into any lefts. a fight with povetkin would be much more exciting. he wouldnt be nearly as cautious with the conventional fighter

                I pretty much agree.

                It's obvious the one thing that Wlad doesn't want to do is brawl and get in a wild type of fight. He wants to be systematic and in control and set up the big rounds towards the middle rounds.

                So then the best opponent for the fans is someone who can force him into what he doesn't want. Unfortunately there aren't many of those guys near the top. Maybe Povetkin like you said. He has shown to be aggressive and willing to fight inside. Problems for Povetkin are he's not that big (only 6'2) and he's not hard to hit.

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                  #18
                  -Lennox had an uppercut, an incredibly powerful one too
                  -Lennox went to the body more
                  -Lennox could hold and hit, and thus fight on the inside a little bit better
                  -Lennox looped his right hand more often, often threw overhand rights, Wlad almost always throws that straight right
                  -Lennox threw combinations, Wlad throws one-twos for the most part
                  -Personally I thought Lennox had a little bit better chin
                  -Lennox seemed way less uptight in the ring to me
                  -Wlad likes to slap down his opponents' jabs
                  -Lennox was a pretty good counter-puncher, Wlad NEVER counter punches hardly...
                  -Wlad has more weight and power behind his jab
                  -Lennox used different angles
                  -Lennox had more upper body movement
                  -Wlad has a snappier straight right hand
                  -Lennox threw more punches
                  -Wlad is a bit quicker on his feet

                  Personally, I think the left hooks are equal. neither of them use it a lot...but they both have a lot of power behind it when they do use it. I remember Lewis dropping Morrison with a left hook

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                  • Joeyzagz
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                    #19
                    Anyways

                    Power: Wlad
                    Speed: Lewis
                    Skill: Lewis
                    Efficiency: Wlad
                    Right Hand:Wlad
                    Left Hand: Lewis
                    Defense: Lewis
                    Record: Lewis( He beat everyone he ever faced.)

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                    • beez721
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                      #20
                      imo
                      power: even
                      speed: wlad
                      skill: even
                      efficiency: even
                      right hand:lewis (uppercut)
                      left hand:wlad
                      record: lewis
                      the big advantage lewis had over wlad which really has held wlad back is that lewis was much calmer under pressure
                      Last edited by beez721; 02-24-2008, 06:41 AM. Reason: error

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