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  • TheGreatA
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    #21
    Originally posted by mrpain81
    The truth is I don't put to much into the guys body, as long as they are in shape.

    Some people just don't get cut.
    Agreed with this. I don't really care about the shape but some 'heavyweights' have put on 20-30 lbs just so they could be in the heavyweight division.
    They aren't in shape to go 12 rounds so they just clinch and stall for the last few rounds.

    The biggest problem with the heavyweight division are the dull fights.

    Chagaev vs Skelton
    Valuev working a heavy bag named Sergei Lyakhovich
    Holyfield vs Ibragimov
    Wlad vs journeyman Ray Austin (okay it ended in a KO but what in the world was Austin doing in there with a world class heavyweight?)
    Last edited by TheGreatA; 02-22-2008, 07:29 PM.

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      #22
      Originally posted by TheManchine
      Agreed with this. I don't really care about the shape but some 'heavyweights' have put on 20-30 lbs just so they could be in the heavyweight division.
      They aren't in shape to go 12 rounds so they just clinch and stall for the last few rounds.

      The biggest problems are the dull fights in the heavyweight division.
      I think the heavyweights have always been more boring, sure every once in a while you get a really great fight. But for the most part the fights aren't that greatl, more intriguing because of the ramifications then exciting.

      But its always fun to see the biggest human's fighting for the biggest prize.

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        #23
        Originally posted by kforbs126
        What's everyone's favorite division?

        Sorry could only include 10...
        Welterweight than lightweight

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          #24
          Originally posted by mrpain81
          I think the heavyweights have always been more boring, sure every once in a while you get a really great fight. But for the most part the fights aren't that greatl, more intriguing because of the ramifications then exciting.

          But its always fun to see the biggest human's fighting for the biggest prize.

          The truth is there is nothing better in sports than a great heavyweight fight. That doesn't mean that there will be one anytime soon.

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          • mrpain81
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            #25
            Originally posted by Scott9945
            The truth is there is nothing better in sports than a great heavyweight fight. That doesn't mean that there will be one anytime soon.
            Tell me about it.

            Aleast I know Tye Fields will be giving the fans their money's worth cleaning out the division.

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              #26
              Originally posted by TheManchine
              I don't really care about the shape but some 'heavyweights' have put on 20-30 lbs just so they could be in the heavyweight division.
              They aren't in shape to go 12 rounds so they just clinch and stall for the last few rounds.

              The biggest problem with the heavyweight division are the dull fights.

              Chagaev vs Skelton
              Valuev working a heavy bag named Sergei Lyakhovich
              Holyfield vs Ibragimov
              Wlad vs journeyman Ray Austin (okay it ended in a KO but what in the world was Austin doing in there with a world class heavyweight?)
              The biggest problem with the heavyweight division is all the negativity toward it because the titleholders are not American and black.

              One guy pretends to be from Finland, but his bitterness toward the division gives him away: he's an American boxing fan who grew up watching Tyson and Holyfield, or a Brit who grew up watching Lewis, and so loves Black fighters and can't stand European boxers.

              I'm an American too, but I've enjoyed the heavyweight fights of recent years, such as Maskaev vs. Rahman II and Lyakhovich vs. Brewster. There hasn't been as exciting of a power puncher as Wlad in the division since the 70s young George Foreman.

              I thought the 90s heavyweights such as Lennox Lewis and Rid**** Bowe were dull to watch, while Povetkin, Chagaev, Wlad and Ibragimov are much better!

              To each their own - but I'm really sick and tired of people bashing the heavyweight division.
              Last edited by The Hammer; 02-22-2008, 07:50 PM.

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                #27
                I would say right now I love the super middle weight division and of course I love Pavlik and I wish the middle weight division would be deeper...But I grew up on the Heavyweight division w/ Tyson, Holyfield, Foreman, Lewis etc...I loved it when those guys fought...

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                • Dice
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                  #28
                  The middleweight division really has no one and Pavlik is wasting his time with those titles. All the action is at super middleweight now and Pavlik himself says he has to boil down to make weight. I would just dust John Duddy and move to supermiddleweight. Joe Calzaghe even said he'd come back just to fight Pavlik

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Tunney
                    The biggest problem with the heavyweight division is all the negativity toward it because the titleholders are not American and black.

                    One guy pretends to be from Finland, but his bitterness toward the division gives him away: he's an American boxing fan who grew up watching Tyson and Holyfield, or a Brit who grew up watching Lewis, and so loves Black fighters and can't stand European boxers.

                    I'm an American too, but I've enjoyed the heavyweight fights of recent years, such as Maskaev vs. Rahman II and Lyakhovich vs. Brewster. There hasn't been as exciting of a power puncher as Wlad in the division since the 70s young George Foreman.

                    I thought the 90s heavyweights such as Lennox Lewis and Rid**** Bowe were dull to watch, while Povetkin, Chagaev, Wlad and Ibragimov are much better!

                    To each their own - but I'm really sick and tired of people bashing the heavyweight division.
                    I was at Maskaev vs Rahman 2, I really enjoyed the fight and was glad Oleg could pull it off.

                    I think your barking up the wrong tree with "The Machine" he's not a baised bitter hater.

                    If anything people like WLad_Owns turns people off because you can tell they mostly always pull for the "White" fighter.

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                    • TheGreatA
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                      #30
                      One guy pretends to be from Finland, but his bitterness toward the division gives him away: he's an American boxing fan who grew up watching Tyson and Holyfield, or a Brit who grew up watching Lewis, and so loves Black fighters and can't stand European boxers.
                      I'm not bitter towards the division, just realistic about it. Or are you saying the heavyweight fights have been action-packed lately? Such classics like Chagaev vs Skelton, Valuev vs Lyakhovich, Ibragimov vs Holyfield and so on...

                      I'm from Finland, therefore neutral towards the nationality of the fighters and I still see that the HW division is not what it used to be.
                      Or it is what it used to be, in the early 80's, when most of the heavyweights were American and black and the people still said that the heavyweight division ******...because it did.

                      The heavyweight division is getting better now but I'm talking about how it has been generally in the past few years, remember the times when Briggs, Rahman, Byrd and Ruiz were champions?
                      Because lots of people certainly do and it will take a long time until those memories are erased.

                      I'm an American too, but I've enjoyed the heavyweight fights of recent years, such as Maskaev vs. Rahman II and Lyakhovich vs. Brewster. There hasn't been as exciting of a power puncher as Wlad in the division since the 70s young George Foreman.
                      The problem is there are no Frazier's, Lyle's or Norton's for Wladimir to beat on. If Ibragimov, Chagaev and Peter step up and start performing then yes, he will have some challenge but that remains to be seen.
                      I'm not impressed by the victories over journeyman Ray Austin, Calvin Brock and inactive Brewster (Brewster win was decent though because he avenged a loss).

                      I thought the 90s heavyweights such as Lennox Lewis and Rid**** Bowe were dull to watch, while Povetkin, Chagaev, Wlad and Ibragimov are much better!
                      Bowe was dull to watch? What about his fights with Golota and Holyfield?

                      Lewis was dull at times but not as dull as people say he is. His fight with Vitali was great.
                      Last edited by TheGreatA; 02-22-2008, 08:10 PM.

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