Just Re-Watched PAVLIK-MIRANDA... 2 things...

[Welter_Skelter]

Hell no! Miranda had nothing in his punches that night. When is the last time you saw Taylor hurt someone with one punch???

Watch Edison's walk to the ring that night against Pavlik. He was so out of character, you could tell he was not himself. The dunb**** should have called of the fight earlier in the week when he knew he was not going to be able to make weight.

Denial..........

[-Hyperion-]

you know, i basically kicked this fight out of contention for foty because of the one sidedness.....but i just watched it and vazquez-marquez 2 and i gotta say vaz-mar 2 was one sided as well(if not for the showtime commentary biased in favour of rafa...and i rooted and am still rotting for him)....and pav-miranda entertained me more...pavlik is ****ing killing him out there.....and miranda's chin is made of stone...great stuff

[Kball15]

you know, i basically kicked this fight out of contention for foty because of the one sidedness.....but i just watched it and vazquez-marquez 2 and i gotta say vaz-mar 2 was one sided as well(if not for the showtime commentary biased in favour of rafa...and i rooted and am still rotting for him)....and pav-miranda entertained me more...pavlik is ****ing killing him out there.....and miranda's chin is made of stone...great stuff

Judges, Ring-side writers, and yours truly all had Rafael Marquez ahead prior to round 6. Hard to disagree really. IMO at least. It was an extremely close and hard fought fight

[Pantera2000]

Denial..........

******ity..............

[-Hyperion-]

Judges, Ring-side writers, and yours truly all had Rafael Marquez ahead prior to round 6. Hard to disagree really. IMO at least. It was an extremely close and hard fought fight

Judges all had Vazquez ahead 48-47...i just saw it....

most experts love the marquez bros......

and it was close in terms of rounds but israel was really the only one doing significant damage from round 3 it was just a matter of time......

[Kball15]

Hell no! Miranda had nothing in his punches that night. When is the last time you saw Taylor hurt someone with one punch???

Watch Edison's walk to the ring that night against Pavlik. He was so out of character, you could tell he was not himself. The dunb**** should have called of the fight earlier in the week when he knew he was not going to be able to make weight.

Miranda was definetly drained but that stuff only effects you after a couple of rounds. He has time from the weigh-in till fight night to eat himself silly, which he obviusly did.

After 2 or 3 rounds that stuff will wear off. BUT, He landed many hard shots in rounds 1 and 2 and they had no effect on Kelly.

Im sure he'd do much better in a rematch at 18, but i still doubt he could win.

And i do think Taylor is much more likely to hurt guys because of his handspeed. Doesnt hit as hard as Miranda, but he'll hurt a guy twice as often cause he'll catch them with shots they don't see coming.

And it took Taylor 17 unanswered punches to drop Pavlik so... idk which 1 punch ur talking about...

***in yank thread.. typical no brain ****..

wtf.... am i the only one that thinks this davebrown fella is the biggest idiot on here??? Like wtf does this stuff even mean? it has nothing to do with what i was talking about and doesnt even make any sense. lol.

[Kball15]

Judges all had Vazquez ahead 48-47...i just saw it....

most experts love the marquez bros......

and it was close in terms of rounds but israel was really the only one doing significant damage from round 3 it was just a matter of time......

i disagree because Vazquez had 2 massive cuts on both eyes, both caused by punches, and was bleeding profusely.

But yea i just checked the tape and you're right, they all had Vazquez by a point. I thought Marquez was winning i believe, ill score it for the first time tonight but its academic because of the stoppage.

But all three press row scores had Marquez ahead significantly which is kinda surprising. i thought it was a point either way.

[Sinisterevo]

I don't think Taylor has much power, except a good stiff left jab. Miranda and Pavlik have monster KO power. Miranda has a good chin too....it took a lot of Pavlik's shots to finally put him down. Miranda did not land any significant flush shots on Pavlik.

[Dorian]

he just looked so bad in the taylor fight....

[Sinisterevo]

Vasquez seems stronger than Marquez and is able to absorb a lot of punishment. I think Marquez's best bet is to box like he did in the first fight, because if he decides to brawl...Vasquez takes him.



I'd love to see a Kessler vs Pavlik fight.