Pavlik vs. Little man.

[Njord777]

Correct me if you disagree but it seems to me the key to beating Pavlik seems to fall into two categories:

1.) Speed - You need to be able to get to Pavlik before he gets to you. A sharp, fast jab is going to give him problems; Taylor was smacking him with it the first few rounds. If you're faster than Pavlik you have half the problem solved.

2.) Activity- Taylor was rather accurate but it seems that, if Pavlik steps forward and throws 70 punches a round, if you can't hurt him you need to at least match his work rate.

This might seem pretty obvious but it's not always the case that a fast, busy fighter can win; what this indicates is that people acknowledge Pavlik is not the fastest, so speed is a slight weakness, and that his main key to victory is just the pressure he applies. Not his boxing skills them self, or his impenetrable defense, not the ability to counter punch or manuver. Just his work rate.

[FloydFanatic]

Mayweather could do it. just look at other posts here for proof and he got the formula.

[sparked_85]

Mayweather would get bludgeoned.

[FloydFanatic]

Mayweather would get bludgeoned.

u got no proof.

pavlik would get taxed.

[Njord777]

The reason I bring up the little man syndrome is because, if Mayweather was a natural middleweight- even a feather fisted one- I think everyone here would pick him to beat Pavlik. He's not, though. He's a small guy. Most people are going to point out that they think Kelly would just bully Floyd and steam roll him with his sheer size advantage. So, what smaller men can overcome the difference in size, and yet maintain the trademark speed and work rate of a lower weight class in hopes of beating Pavlik...?

[sparked_85]

u got no proof.

pavlik would get taxed.

apart from the huge gulf in size?

Make no mistake, size matters.

A great little one loses to a good big one, and Pavlik is pretty good. Floyd can scarcely afford to get hit with anything such is the size disparity.

Most people are going to point out that they think Kelly would just bully Floyd and steam roll him with his sheer size advantage

basically.

[-Hyperion-]

well i would say spinks has a chance to impress judges.....kelly is slow of feet...taylor was only circling just enough to get out of the way and yet kelly had major problems to keep up with him...of course spinks taps shouldnt even be allowed to count as scoring punches......

winky has a chance to step inside of kelly's 1-2 and counter with a jab to kelly's high placed chin....but he's old now so he cant move on his feet quickly as he used to do it..so even if he lands the clean punches inside of kelly's 1-2 he may not be able to get out of the way completely opening up the chances for kelly to hit winks arms and look flashy....

thats the only 2 little men i give hope to beat pavlik...

[Kobe Bryant]

Pavlik can be beat. You just have to kind of meet him on the inside. You can't stay on the outside because then he's at his best when getting full extension on his shots. One thing that is impoartant to note is that he doesn't have one shot power it takes it's toll on you. You can surive a couple of big punches from him.

This is why I think Winky could possibly beat Pavlik. Becuase Wright never fights going backwards. He's right in your chest the whole night and can take a punch. Wink is good at getting off close and accurate punches. And wouldn't allow Pavlik to get off major long range shots.

[Njord777]

Huh, interesting. That's two people that would give Winky a shot at beating Pavlik. As far as little men go, he's had moderate luck fighting bigger guys; even in his draw to Taylor and loss to Hopkins, it didn't seem like he was getting thrown around even being a smaller man moving up.

Maybe Winky could have a shot..?

[-Hyperion-]

he has a shot of really winning....he has almost no shot of getting a decision though.....