Winky Wright vs Kelly Pavlik @ 160

[mike ruler]

Kelly ain't great, good analysis.... he's just 32-0 with 29 knockouts, taking away the middleweight championship from an undefeated Jermain Taylor still in his prime, a man who many thought would reign the MW division for years before Pavlik put that to rest, manhandling a man in Miranda who no one wanted to fight at the time. You're right, its time to face the fact that he's the linear champ, no one has beaten him and he's a knockout machine who sadly isn't that great.

Do you realize how you sound? That term "great" has been used to describe the All Timers. The Sugar Ray Robinson's and Marvin Hagler's and Carlos Monzon's. You would put Kelly Pavlik up there with them?

[dc6112]

who's talking about all time greats? when did I ever say I put Kelly up there as an all time great? I guess we can't call anyone great unless they're all time great now... I'll just call him "way above average", is that what you're looking for? Because he's not an all time great, you're right, and he's certainly far from an average fighter. So let's start calling people who aren't sugar ray robinson or muhammed ali "all time way above average fighters" since theres no room for simply labeling contemporary fighters in their present status, other than floyd mayweather, as "great"

[revs1227]

winky sd ...id like 2 see this winkys my man

[mike ruler]

who's talking about all time greats? when did I ever say I put Kelly up there as an all time great? I guess we can't call anyone great unless they're all time great now... I'll just call him "way above average", is that what you're looking for? Because he's not an all time great, you're right, and he's certainly far from an average fighter. So let's start calling people who aren't sugar ray robinson or muhammed ali "all time way above average fighters" since theres no room for simply labeling contemporary fighters in their present status, other than floyd mayweather, as "great"

No...no..no..I said Kelly isn't great. He barely edged out a win against an average middleweight who barely edged out a win against an old man. Then fought smaller unnatural middleweights(i.e Cory Spinks, Kassim Ouma) So, Kelly gets two wins of notoriety and now he's great? We'll see on Saturday.

[dc6112]

by the way Mike, what exactly makes you so sure that he isn't that great? I understand he's been knocked down. But he's never been knocked out. He's been in against only 32 guys, fine, but two of them were Jermain Taylor and Edison Miranda. And he's still unbeaten.He's overachieved in every way possible since starting his pro career, and you write him off like he's some prospect who's about to be exposed. So honestly, how do you expect someone to react?

[ippo]

Winky will take this just much experience and overall a better boxer.

[dc6112]

So you're saying that Taylor isn't that good because he barely beat a guy in Hopkins who hadn't been beaten in a decade, and he beat him TWICE, whether it was close or not. and you then rag on his other opponents, which include a draw with Winky, whom you just said could beat Pavlik, even though he couldn't beat Taylor, who is overrated, yet you also now talk like Taylor is gonna beat pavlik on the 16th. Theres so many holes in your argument I don't know where to begin.

[THE REED]

I said Kelly isn't great. He barely edged out a win against an average middleweight who barely edged out a win against an old man.

by barely you mean... KNOCKED THE **** OUT.... gotcha

[mike ruler]

by the way Mike, what exactly makes you so sure that he isn't that great? I understand he's been knocked down. But he's never been knocked out. He's been in against only 32 guys, fine, but two of them were Jermain Taylor and Edison Miranda. And he's still unbeaten.He's overachieved in every way possible since starting his pro career, and you write him off like he's some prospect who's about to be exposed. So honestly, how do you expect someone to react?

I'm saying that Pavlik is in his prime right now right? Well, he barely edged out a win against a "less-than-stellar" middleweight. And I'm a tell you something that fight JT fight can go either way any night. So, he barely beats Taylor and is barely the champ ina a time when the Middleweights are not that good. In a time when Hopkins was coming up, aint no way in hell Pavlik would of been at the top. He would've lost to Glen Johnson, James Toney, Trinidad, Antwun Echols, William Joppy, and definitely Roy Jones.

[mike ruler]

So you're saying that Taylor isn't that good because he barely beat a guy in Hopkins who hadn't been beaten in a decade, and he beat him TWICE, whether it was close or not. and you then rag on his other opponents, which include a draw with Winky, whom you just said could beat Pavlik, even though he couldn't beat Taylor, who is overrated, yet you also now talk like Taylor is gonna beat pavlik on the 16th. Theres so many holes in your argument I don't know where to begin.

Dude that pyramid theory don't work. You can't say A beat b and B beat c so A is the best out.

(i.e Leonard, Duran, Hearns)