Can SOMEONE please explain THE PHILIP N'dou = LIMITED argument to ME?

[Fox McCloud]

Sorry, K-Ball, I felt like poking fun at you.

So let's see...

We have a South African who is 31-1 (30 KOs) fighting for a lightweight championship. He gets completely outclassed, and loses handily. He fights another fight, and then has to retire because of brain trauma.

From what I saw of him, he was a tall fighter, who could operate like a boxer because of his good jab. His 30 KOs in 32 fights seems to indicate that he had at least above average power. He also threw 300 punches in his last 2 rounds of his decision win, so he can also operate as a total volume puncher.

So how is he limited? What is he limited to? Someone tell me, please.

[Fox McCloud]

Has anyone else noticed that all of Floyd Mayweather Jr's opponents have been:

smaller - Hatton, who was at a 6" reach disadvantage
coming off a loss - Judah
past prime - De La Hoya
shot - Gatti
limited - N'Dou

He will never face a prime, world-class welterweight like Cotto, or even Williams or Cintron, because he's not 100% sure he would defeat them!

Calzaghe faced and defeated the best prime, undefeated, world-class super middleweight in Mikkel Kessler. Why won't Floyd fight Cotto?

Tunney5, I'm calling your ass out.

Explain!

[The Hammer]

Tunney5, I'm calling your ass out.

Explain!

Limited in that context means lacking in world-class skills, as compared to highly skilled fighters like Shane Mosley and Kostya Tszyu. It was one of Mayweather's easier wins, of the ones I've seen. N'dou disn't show a lot of skills in that fight, or a good chin either.

Won-loss records can be misleading, and often depend on who the opponents have been. Example: Faruq Saleem is not a top 100 heavyweight, despite having a brilliant won-lost record.

[Run]

Sorry, K-Ball, I felt like poking fun at you.

So let's see...

We have a South African who is 31-1 (30 KOs) fighting for a lightweight championship. He gets completely outclassed, and loses handily. He fights another fight, and then has to retire because of brain trauma.

From what I saw of him, he was a tall fighter, who could operate like a boxer because of his good jab. His 30 KOs in 32 fights seems to indicate that he had at least above average power. He also threw 300 punches in his last 2 rounds of his decision win, so he can also operate as a total volume puncher.

So how is he limited? What is he limited to? Someone tell me, please.

Yeah I never considered N'dou an elite fighter.

He's limited because outside of his snap at featherweight...........he had to rely on sheer punching power to win fights.

He fought down to the level of his opposition, but knocked outmatched guys out cold and created a smoke and mirror complex with fans.



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[Run]

Limited in that context means lacking in world-class skills, as compared to highly skilled fighters like Shane Mosley and Kostya Tszyu. It was one of Mayweather's easier wins, of the ones I've seen. N'dou disn't show a lot of skills in that fight, or a good chin either.

Won-loss records can be misleading, and often depend on who the opponents have been. Example: Faruq Saleem is not a top 100 heavyweight, despite having a brilliant won-lost record.

This is what I meant, I'd say you worded it much better than I did.



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[Scott9945]

Yeah I never considered N'dou an elite fighter.

He's limited because outside of his snap at featherweight...........he had to rely on sheer punching power to win fights.

He fought down to the level of his opposition, but knocked outmatched guys out cold and created a smoke and mirror complex with fans.

I saw N'Dou fight live once at 130 and he looked very sharp. Against Floyd he was WAY overmatched though. It was just much too big of a class jump for him.

[Run]

I saw N'Dou fight live once at 130 and he looked very sharp. Against Floyd he was WAY overmatched though. It was just much too big of a class jump for him.

Yeah N'dou in his prime was a B+ class fighter IMO. Much like Prime Arturo Gatti. Neither of them at their best were C or A class.

No way, that's ridiculous. Good fighters they were.



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[Fox McCloud]

Limited in that context means lacking in world-class skills, as compared to highly skilled fighters like Shane Mosley and Kostya Tszyu. It was one of Mayweather's easier wins, of the ones I've seen. N'dou disn't show a lot of skills in that fight, or a good chin either.

Won-loss records can be misleading, and often depend on who the opponents have been. Example: Faruq Saleem is not a top 100 heavyweight, despite having a brilliant won-lost record.

I guess the word choice misled me...

I thought you meant limited, as in one-dimensional, and if there is one thing that N'dou is not, it is one-dimensional.

I do kind of feel bad for the guy, because I think he is better than his career shows. I didn't think he looked terrible against Mayweather, but Mayweather really did fight the best fight of his career in that fight. I thought he looked better than he did against Corrales, Baldomir and Gatti. He just was in the zone for every second of that fight.

He might have been more than he seemed, because after the Mayweather fight, he sustained that brain injury when he lost a razor-thin split decision to undefeated Isaac Hlatswayo, who has turned out to be at least a step above average.

He knocked everyone out except for 4 guys.

He got KO'd by a journeyman, much the same way Kendall Holt lost his first fight.

He won a close decision over a currently-top 10 ranked lightweight Cassius Baloyi.

He got blown out of the water by the best performance from current P4P #1 Mayweather.

He lost a razor-thin split decision against a guy who has only one loss in his career to Kendall Holt, and who has a win over Nate Campbell.

Who knows where he could have gone?