BHOP's rank among the ATG'S at middle.....

[Rane-Ex54]

And that's the problem... no one.

But you CANNOT give Hopkins as much credit as fighters like Hagler who still took on fighters coming up, but they were ATGs, as well as some legitimate middleweight contenders too.

Hopkins was unlucky to be cursed in a bad time of middleweights.

However, he did lose to Jones, which hurts him really badly, because if he could beat Jones, he would have a lot better of an argument as to why he deserves to be ranked higher.

The Taylor losses hurt him too, but not as badly.

Hey I never said anything about BHOP being near Hagler or even Monsoon. Those are top 3 all time dudes, but BHOP should def be in Top 10, theres no reason why not, just off length of dominance in weight class alone.

And Hagler is one of my fav fighter, but according to yalls logic....wasn't a couple of his biggest wins verse blown up welters??? Hearns, Duran, SRL (not a win, but I think a win)

[Fox McCloud]

Hey I never said anything about BHOP being near Hagler or even Monsoon. Those are top 3 all time dudes, but BHOP should def be in Top 10, theres no reason why not, just off length of dominance in weight class alone.

And Hagler is one of my fav fighter, but wasn't a couple of his biggest wins verse blown up welters??? Hearns, Duran, SRL (not a win, but I think a win)

Well Hearns specifically won a title at LHW, so it's clear that he hadn't reached his peak.

The problem with Hopkins's opponents is that they peaked in the weight class below where he fought them. Tito and ODLH are less effective at 160 then they were at lower weight classes, at least IMO.

Plus, people really do claim that Hopkins is the best MW of all-time... he had the defense record, but his defenses are not on-point with other fighters' defense records.

[Rane-Ex54]

Well Hearns specifically won a title at LHW, so it's clear that he hadn't reached his peak.

The problem with Hopkins's opponents is that they peaked in the weight class below where he fought them. Tito and ODLH are less effective at 160 then they were at lower weight classes, at least IMO.

Plus, people really do claim that Hopkins is the best MW of all-time... he had the defense record, but his defenses are not on-point with other fighters' defense records.

I totally agree with you there. I'm just hope people don't use the moving up in weight / peak business if BHOP beats Calzaghe.

[Fox McCloud]

I totally agree with you there. I'm just hope people don't use the moving up in weight / peak business if BHOP beats Calzaghe.

Well I don't think they can...

Hopkins started lower than Calzaghe, and Calzaghe kills himself to make weight now at 168.

But, people used it on Mayweather against Hatton, even though Hatton started 10 pounds heavier, so we will probably hear it. Those looking to discredit always use whatever they can to do the job.

[Chups]

Number 3 or 4.

[-Hyperion-]

It kinda is, he beat up another guy coming up in weight and KO'd him, which means Tito carried the weight much better. Mayorga did well against Vargas at a higher weight then he fought Tito.

Did you know that BHOP was a big underdog when he fought Tito?

Since you guys keep making excuses for BHOP's legitimacy. During his reign who should he have fought, that he didn't?

well at middle there were 0 guys......so im not really saying he didnt do what he was supposed to do, but the levell of comp was poor, he shouuld have won......and thats my issue with hopkins...there were no more challlnegers and he was afraid to seek them in higher weights, when it is pretty ****ing clear that bhop is a natural lhw.....i mean did you see the weigh in for hatton-mayweather???he looked ****ing huge.....

[Jim Jeffries]

Hey I never said anything about BHOP being near Hagler or even Monsoon. Those are top 3 all time dudes, but BHOP should def be in Top 10, theres no reason why not, just off length of dominance in weight class alone.

And Hagler is one of my fav fighter, but according to yalls logic....wasn't a couple of his biggest wins verse blown up welters??? Hearns, Duran, SRL (not a win, but I think a win)

So which one of Hearns, Duran or SRL is DLH supposed to have a chance with at middleweight?

[Thread Stealer]

So which one of Hearns, Duran or SRL is DLH supposed to have a chance with at middleweight?

i guess i'd say duran.

i think some of duran's fights @ 160 were even before they changed the weigh-in rules.

i don't know how much he ballooned up in weight from the 8-10 hours after the weigh-in, but i don't think that much.

he probably wasn't any heavier than dlh when dlh fights @ 154 and has 30-32 hrs to rehydrate.

by no means does the fishnet stand no chance against that duran, 4 divisions above his best weight.