BHOP's rank among the ATG'S at middle.....

[TheGreatA]

I don't have an official list but I guess he would rank somewhere in the top 10. Some people might say top 5, some might say top 15, some might not rank him at all.

I think he will be more appreciated in the future like most fighters are.


Hopkins HL.


Hopkins vs Trindad 12th round.


Hopkis scores the fastest KO ever in middleweight title fights.


Hopkins vs Glen Johnson.

[Rane-Ex54]

Would you be impressed if Kelly Pavlik KO'd Floyd Mayweather Jr.?

Same scenario... someone who started at 160 KO'ing someone who started at 130 and had no business credibly fighting at 160.

I'll give yall the ODLH, because he never really beat anyone at middle, plus I think he's overrated. But Tito proved himself at middle most definitely. Plus all fighters move up, some keep doing it. But BHOP stopped them in there tracks. No matter what, Bhop KO'd two shoe in HOFers. I just think yall discredit those wins, when no matter what there huge! We can play the weight game BS all day long with most fighters

[-Hyperion-]

You might not be impressed, but he still won those fights. What about him KOing ODLH? Will you be impressed and give him respect due if he beats your boy Calzaghe?

oscar's the once great fighter i mentioned, so no, im not impressed..


like i said i know Nard has skills, and he beat a very good tito(who by the way wouldve made it to the final bell if it wasnt for his dad...).....thats all he's done in his life apart from losing to the best MIDDLEWIEIGHTS he fought....

as for the clazaghe comment, bhop aint gonna win except maybe by way of robbery...and that's like being impressed with casamyor "beating" santa cruz...

[Pugilistic™]

people say de la hoya and trinidad were natural welterweights but could they actually make that weight around the time????

it don't matter what weight they started at, mayweather started at 130 but still looks awesome at 147.

his win against winky wright wasn't impressive but who has ever looked good against wright ??? people seem to forget how this guy is in his 40's and he should get more respect for still competing at the level he does.

i would have hopkins in the top 5 middleweights, the competition at middleweight was weak around his era to be honest but he faced who he could and beat them ( most of these fighters being past champions at lower weights). but still got the job done.

[Fox McCloud]

I'll give yall the ODLH, because he never really beat anyone at middle, plus I think he's overrated. But Tito proved himself at middle most definitely. Plus all fighters move up, some keep doing it. But BHOP stopped them in there tracks. No matter what, Bhop KO'd two shoe in HOFers. I just think yall discredit those wins, when no matter what there huge! We can play the weight game BS all day long with most fighters

Tito's only credible win at 160: William Joppy.

He also beat Hacine Cherifi (who?) and Ricardo Mayorga (a literal welterweight).

I don't know if beating William Joppy is enough to make Tito the rockstar at 160 that you seem to want to make him.

[-Hyperion-]

Tito's only credible win at 160: William Joppy.

He also beat Hacine Cherifi (who?) and Ricardo Mayorga (a literal welterweight).

I don't know if beating William Joppy is enough to make Tito the rockstar at 160 that you seem to want to make him.

Tito avoided WBO middleweight champ Harry Simon by the way.....Simon went and dethroned Cherifi easily after moving up from 154....

That fight was supposed to be "Winner gets Tito"....Tito was in attendance and they posed togheter and all...

none the less i do think tito was very good when Hopkins beat him....but his style wasnt one that would bother the counterpunching hopkins...

[Rane-Ex54]

Tito's only credible win at 160: William Joppy.

He also beat Hacine Cherifi (who?) and Ricardo Mayorga (a literal welterweight).

I don't know if beating William Joppy is enough to make Tito the rockstar at 160 that you seem to want to make him.

Wait, I thought your guys argument was that Tito was blown up welter???

oh yeah i forgot about Glen J, only time he was ever KO'd was verse BhOP

[Fox McCloud]

Wait, I thought your guys argument was that Tito was blown up welter???

Yeah, notice I only called Joppy a legit 160 win...

Mayorga jumped up from welterweight to 160 for the fight. Not a telling tale of how good Tito was at 160.

[Rane-Ex54]

Yeah, notice I only called Joppy a legit 160 win...

Mayorga jumped up from welterweight to 160 for the fight. Not a telling tale of how good Tito was at 160.

It kinda is, he beat up another guy coming up in weight and KO'd him, which means Tito carried the weight much better. Mayorga did well against Vargas at a higher weight then he fought Tito.

Did you know that BHOP was a big underdog when he fought Tito?

Since you guys keep making excuses for BHOP's legitimacy. During his reign who should he have fought, that he didn't?

[Fox McCloud]

It kinda is, he beat up another guy coming up in weight and KO'd him, which means Tito carried the weight much better. Mayorga did well against Vargas at a higher weight then he fought Tito.

Did you know that BHOP was a big underdog when he fought Tito?

Since you guys keep making excuses for BHOP's legitimacy. During his reign who should he have fought, that he didn't?

And that's the problem... no one.

But you CANNOT give Hopkins as much credit as fighters like Hagler who still took on fighters coming up, but they were ATGs, as well as some legitimate middleweight contenders too.

Hopkins was unlucky to be cursed in a bad time of middleweights.

However, he did lose to Jones, which hurts him really badly, because if he could beat Jones, he would have a lot better of an argument as to why he deserves to be ranked higher.

The Taylor losses hurt him too, but not as badly.