How Good is Featherweight Champ Chris John?

[Fox McCloud]

chris john is a champion, but he knows he is no better than marquez, and marquez is no better than barrera and barrera is no better than morales, and morales is no better than Pacman!

John is probably a bit unproven to be credibly ranked in the fab 4 of the lower weights.

[damian5000]

He's ranked #1 out of 884 in his division/class according to boxrec

[Katz]

Chris John is the most underrated fighter in the world... Juan Manuel Marquez can't even mention his name.....

[PRboxingfan]

John is a good fighter, but I don't think he should be talked about as one of the best in the division until he steps up and fights someone decent.

In his only step up, he was given a hometown decision against JMM (a fight in which Marquez looked a bit lethargic himself and could've done more to win, tho I believe he did enough).

A fight with Luevano, Linares, Solis, or even a smaller guy like De Leon, Vazquez, Marquez, or Caballero stepping up one weight class would show us more about him.

Until then, I'm only willing to say that he's a good fighter who needs to prove himself.

[Run]

In his only step up, he was given a hometown decision against JMM (a fight in which Marquez looked a bit lethargic himself and could've done more to win, tho I believe he did enough).
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If Marquez was lethargic and was barely doing enough throwing between 60-80 punches a round totally out working John...............what in the hell does that make John? lol like a corpse.



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[Ryn0]

John imo beat Marquez and those who say he didnt Marquez was deducted 2 points for consistant low blowing, of which he was warned 4 times. It was a VERY close fight up till then and could've been a draw if the point deduction hadn't happened then it would've been a razor thin fight. Most of the people are argueing that marquez won when clearly most people havn't seen the fight and are protesting the result because it was in Indonesia and John was a relative unknown.

i was in Indonesia as it was broadcasted and i admit I'm Indonesian so i hold some sort of Bias toward there fighters but not enough to blind me i had Marquez up 1 round by the 10th then he was deducted 2 points in the 11th and 10th the 12th was John round easily and John hit Marquez with the most meaningful punch of the fight. The fight was boring and Marquez threw very wild and didnt connect often. John only threw when neccesary.

[Ryn0]

taken from http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...anuel-marquez/

Chris John UD12 Juan Manuel Marquez
By Scott Mallon

Borneo, Indonesia – Unbeaten Chris “Dragon” John (38-0, 20 KOs), Semarang, Indonesia, successfully defended his WBA featherweight title for the fifth time when he scored a surprising, unanimous decision over former champion Juan Manuel Marquez in Borneo, Indonesia. Marquez (44-3-1, 33 KOs) had taken the fight for a purse of only $31,250 in an effort to snare the WBA title only to come up short on the score cards, 116-112, 116-110 and 117-111.

The Sweet Science saw it in favor of John at 116-110.

Supremely confident of his abilities and with a desire to be champion once again, Marquez rolled the dice and came up snake eyes. Winning the fight would not only make him a champion, but also give him a much needed bargaining chip, the WBA title. However, it was not to be.

Marquez came out in round one to the roar of “Chris John, Chris John, Chris John” with absolutely no fanfare of his own. Both fighters started tentatively, trading jabs, feinting, and then moving out of range. The bout quickly settled into a tactical battle and in round two, Marquez landed the first meaningful blows of the contest, a stiff right to the head of the champion, followed by a right to the body.

The former champion opened the fourth with a crisp left hook but John continued to steadfastly implement his strategy of jabbing, moving side-to-side and flurrying when the opportunity presented itself. John nailed Marquez with a crunching, counter-right uppercut midway through the round, his best punch of the fight.

In the sixth round, both fighters traded unintentional low blows; no warnings were issued however and the chess match continued. The fight was close at this point and difficult to score.

Marquez started round eight by landing another, unintentional low blow; this time receiving a warning from referee Guillermo Pérez Pineda. The champion was boxing smartly; jabbing and double jabbing, staying away from the power of Marquez. The corner of Marquez implored him to “get going, work, work,” but he was unable to slow John down.

Marquez opened round ten with borderline punch to the thick waistband of John and the referee immediately jumped in to deduct a point. Just seconds later, Marquez landed yet another low blow and receiving another reprimand.

In the eleventh, the desperate challenger came out quickly and bashed home a crushing uppercut to the jaw of the Indonesian, only to follow the punch with a blatant low blow. Referee Pineda stepped in once again and deducted a second point. Marquez remained composed and kept after John, landing a three-punch combination to end of the round.

In the final stanza Marquez snuck in a crisp uppercut before tripping on the ring ropes. He pressed forward until John landed a huge right uppercut-counter to punctuate the victory. The Indonesian danced out of danger for the last sixty seconds of the fight and at the sound of the bell, his entire team jumped into the ring to hoist him upon their shoulders.

“Chris John is a very good fighter but I think I did enough to win the fight. It was a close fight but I won. Three or four times I hurt him, but every time I would hurt him, the referee would step in and stop the fight,” said a shocked Marquez.

”What got me out of my rhythm was the referee. After the referee took the point away in round ten, I was scared to throw any more body punches,” he continued.

When asked what he would do differently in a rematch, Marquez shrugged his shoulders, “There’s nothing to be done differently. We did what we were supposed to do; go after him, throw punches and counterpunch. He’s a great fighter but I don’t know what else we have to do to win.”

Team Marquez spokesman Jaime Quintana vehemently disagreed with the scoring, “It was a close fight but I thought we took seven rounds. Seven to five. Chris John is a great fighter but he didn’t have to win like this. What other way can we win? Knock him down, kill him? Knock him out? Juan did what he was supposed to do.”

”We’ll go back to Mexico, relax for a few weeks and then he’ll go back into the gym. We’ve got some plans for Juan and Rafael in April and we’ll get more in to this next week.”

The disgruntled Quintana stated a rematch is possible but only if held outside of Indonesia. Team Marquez intends to lodge a formal protest of the decision with the WBA.

[RAESAAD]

It's fair to say he's as good as Ricky Hatton or Mikkell Kessler were........before being beaten by the true Champs in their weight classes.

[Gareth Ivanovic]

chris john is a champion, but he knows he is no better than marquez, and marquez is no better than barrera and barrera is no better than morales, and morales is no better than Pacman!

How is Marquez no better than Barrera when he beat him. Plus using the logic of since so and so beat so and so he will beat him. Sometimes that works, but definitely not always.

[Ryn0]

It's fair to say he's as good as Ricky Hatton or Mikkell Kessler were........before being beaten by the true Champs in their weight classes.

who did hatton get beat by his OWN weight class? no wait he stepped for the 2nd time in his career to fight at welter.