We need back the “80’s WWs”

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  • MaFu MoFo
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    We need back the “80’s WWs”

    I am 34 years old and a die hard “ochentoso” (80’s dude). I think one of the Golden Epoques for boxing was back in the 80’s. My favorite Boxers are Marvin “Marvelous” Hagler, Thomas “The REAL Hitman” Hearns, Roberto “Mano de Piedra” Duran, Wilfredo “El Radar” Benitez, and “Sugar” Ray Leonard. Those were the good all days when they all faced each other, win or lose. That’s the way you earn the deepest respect, IMO. Nowadays, I thought we were going to get the same treat, but we are not. Let’s face it, PBF, Cotto, PW, Margarito, Mosley, Cintron, Judah, and even throw in Oscar, even if he belongs to another Golden period. They all are good fighters that dominate the WelterWeight Division. And if you analize history, the five HorseMen mentioned above shined during their WWs edition and later became legends by fighting each other. With all the respect to my FIVE HorseMen, here is a quick simple comparison to illustrate we could had been getting the same deal from the WelterWeights TODAY as we had back in the 80’s. I want to see the following boxers fighting each other so in 20 years I could have a few cold beers and tell my sons about them with pride and excitment like I love to talk about Boxing back inthe 80's. Not that the 90's were bad, but Boxing needs help and to be saved before the end of the decade.


    HAGLER = Antonio “Tony” Margarito

    If you take off Tony’s lost to Santos, you have a comparable career. (BTW, I know Hagler was southpaw and Tony is ortho… and Hagler was MUCH MUCH BETTER, butjust follow my MaFu trip…) They both had early loses and then had a long run of victories with HiGH KO Ratio. Hagler had no loses for over ten years before losing to Sugar. In the same decade expand, Tony had that one against Santos. (and obviously against PW). Both are warriors that fight every round and were full speed ahead on most fights. In size and reach they are comparable. Then again, Hagler beated Duran and Hearns (among other great fighters). Margarito has recently fought big names, but he got no big names wins. Tony needs to beat Cintron again, then Cotto or PBF to have a significant and RESPECTED career. Losing to Paul Williams and not been able to get a win against Santos in two shots at him is pretty sad and pathetic.


    HEARNS = Paul “The Punisher” Williams

    Don’t tell me this simple equation has not crossed your mind. Different styles but similar in height and reach. I see Paul having a career similar to Hearns. He will move up in weight and have aprox the same KO ratio. Still, I believe The Punisher may surpass Hearns and if he keeps his cool, focus and intensity... Paul will become a legend too.


    DURAN = Kermit “The Killer” Cintron

    Obviously Kermit is bigger with more reach and Duran is well more respected and known due to his fights, but if there is a boxer out there who has “hands of stones” and a weak mind, that’s Kermit. Duran had an awful management and poor decision making with a weak mind. Kermit changing of management and joining Emmanuel Stuart could make the impact Duran failed to have back in the day. Still, Roberto faced everyone and was never afraid to fight anyone in front of him. Kermit needs a BIG WIN against Margarito on April. If he doesn’t show he is able to beat Margarito, he might as well retire and be doomed to have an ugly record just like Duran.


    BENITEZ = Miguel “Junito” Cotto

    Benitez made History at a young age and was undefeated until he met Sugar. Cotto might make history by defeating PBF and staying undefeated. Then again, he could have Benitez fate. I never thought I was going to compare the two as Benitez is a legend in Puerto Rico and Cotto earned my respect during the last 2 years, but who else from nowadays I could compare to Benitez from the WWs Division??? Both are Boricuas who have accurate punching and may cut off the ring for the opponent. In this case, I believe Cotto has the chance to have a better career than Benitez, but his Big Name Win list must keep growing.


    LEONARD = Floyd “Pretty boy” Mayweather Jr.

    If there is a current Sugar is not Shane Mosley, it is PBF. The MAIN HUGE DIFFERENCE is that Leonard fought everyone, and I mean everyone. His loss to Roberto Duran was the only stain in his record, but he fought him and twice in a row. Sugar beated Duran, Hagler, Benitez and Hearns. PBF has Judah and De La Hoya. Not Cotto, not Margarito, not Williams, and not even Cintron. Floyd’s achievements are historical and respectable, but NOT LEGENDARY, YET. Wins over Oscar, Judah, Corrales and Castillo are not enough. I am not a hater, I was a PBF Fan until his decisions to fight Gatti, Baldomir, and Hatton. I had not respected those wins.



    That is what is wrong Today. These boxers are not fighting each other. Paul Williams is been ducked since everyone knows is not going to be long before his goes up in weight. Shame on PBF, Cotto and Cintron for not taking the challenge. At least Margarito had the COJONES. PBF is ducking Cotto, Margarito and I bet my ass he is scared of Paul Williams. BoB Arum is ruining for us by taking decisions over Cotto and Margarito. Cintron better grow some hairs on his balls and man up, beat Margarito and Clottey, then face Cotto. ( I’ll have an ****** if that happens.) Judah is a dumbass for not making his way to “maybe-last-chance” at a well respected fight. Quintana may lose to any of the above, but will face Paul Williams, that alone earns respect. Collazo better make a comeback with some impact in 2008. Shane Mosley should fight Mayorga, period. De la Hoya MUST fight Trinidad or just ****ing retire once and for all. Hatton should never fight at 147 lbs for the rest of his career. Berto and Clottey better take care of business. Gomez should just give up with the first left hook to the body before getting himself seriously hurt.


    I hope the 2008 brings more excitement to the sport, and that weight is on PrettyBoy Floyd to make it happen. He is the missing link. I know he may beat out everyone except for Paul Williams and maybe Cotto. But not fighting Margarito, Cintron, Cotto to fight Mitchell, old Gatti, past his prime Oscar twice, the one joke Hatton, and the bum with Acromagaly is what is wrong with Boxing Today.
  • bishop2006
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    Margarito Hagler? No way lol,if anything Cotto's style is abit similar,they both are agressive nonstop attackers,the same build

    ****,Cotto even switches from othadox to southpaw with ease the same way Hagler did

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      I would also not mind seeing a round robin between the best WW's today. People fail to realize when the Sugar's and the Hearn's and such fought one another were they already known as ATG's? I don't think so. Who knows some of these WW's could be future legends and we can all say we saw them face off against one another.

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        #4
        Originally posted by bishop2006
        Margarito Hagler? No way lol,if anything Cotto's style is abit similar,they both are agressive nonstop attackers,the same build

        ****,Cotto even switches from othadox to southpaw with ease the same way Hagler did
        You are right about that. I am just tripping and let it flow to make some intelligent conversation down the posting road. In Hearns case, Cintron's power punch has been compared to Hearn's and Tito's. As I said, "Hagler is much much better than Margarito." I respect and agree with your point of view. I just said things like it is. I missed those days, we could be getting better fights.

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        • warp1432
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          I don't know why you don't count Hatton as a great win. You could argue he was "blown up", but so was Duran against Hagler. The thing that makes the Hatton victory so great was he knocked him out. He fought Hatton's gameplan and then knocked him out once he got control of it.

          He was supposed to win by potshotting, but he did combos and fought on the inside.

          Gatti was just a stepping stone that was supposed to set up a fight with Tszyu, but Tszyu got beat by Hatton. Baldomir was the actual champ at the time.

          And it's harder to fight each other nowadays. With all this 4 title bull and mandatories it gets harder and harder to do so. With Lenoard and Hearns and co you had 2 titles, who both had good rankings back then.

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          • Silencers
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            I can agree with most of what you said, the top welterweights need to fight each other.

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            • aussieboxer2320
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              duran was ''blown up'' in pretty much all of his fights with those other legends, the guy was a natural lightweight fighting welters and middles, hes better than all of them, he only lost to hearns and hagler and leonard because he was slower and more bloated at the higher weight

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                btw, i think berto is part of future of the division and maybe boxing in general, the guy is a wrecking machine, like a mini tyson, look at his physique and his raw power, by the end of '08 or mid '09 he will have torn some of those fakes up

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                  Originally posted by warp1432
                  I don't know why you don't count Hatton as a great win. You could argue he was "blown up", but so was Duran against Hagler. The thing that makes the Hatton victory so great was he knocked him out. He fought Hatton's gameplan and then knocked him out once he got control of it.

                  He was supposed to win by potshotting, but he did combos and fought on the inside.

                  Gatti was just a stepping stone that was supposed to set up a fight with Tszyu, but Tszyu got beat by Hatton. Baldomir was the actual champ at the time.

                  And it's harder to fight each other nowadays. With all this 4 title bull and mandatories it gets harder and harder to do so. With Lenoard and Hearns and co you had 2 titles, who both had good rankings back then.

                  I admit I enjoyed the Hatton fight, but I expected the outcome. Why go a fight a smaller guy at a weight where you hold a tittle and claim to had done enough to deserve a Legacy??? Every real boxing fan knew PBF was going to beat Hatton. Even Brittish experts said so. I knew Roy was going to kick TiTo's ass, but I had to root for my boy Tito. BTW, Roy pittied Tito and did not knock his ass out.

                  I agree with was you said about Gatti. Still he was old and everyone knows PBF skills are far superior. Don't bring the Baldomir issue, that is lamer than Cotto fighting Gomez. I want to see PBF win fights more of a challenge like he did agaisnt Judah and ODLH. There is one thing on PBF's mind for the last 2 years, MONEY. Even ODLH who loves to get smaller opponents, he took better challenges while making the money. PBF may be the best P4P, but he sure has loss respect in the last 2 years.

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                  • MaFu MoFo
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                    Originally posted by aussieboxer2320
                    duran was ''blown up'' in pretty much all of his fights with those other legends, the guy was a natural lightweight fighting welters and middles, hes better than all of them, he only lost to hearns and hagler and leonard because he was slower and more bloated at the higher weight

                    That's why, that even with his record and his famous "No mas!", he is a respected legend.

                    Originally posted by aussieboxer2320
                    btw, i think berto is part of future of the division and maybe boxing in general, the guy is a wrecking machine, like a mini tyson, look at his physique and his raw power, by the end of '08 or mid '09 he will have torn some of those fakes up

                    I expect Berto to be a top contender too.

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