Why do people downplay the benefits of steroid use?

[Sin City]

It's not that great for boxing because boxing is a SCIENCE. Steroids dont help you see the openings. Steroids dont help you get a better jab. They may help with physical attributes like muscle, chin, toughness (basically your ability to sustain a power punch) but they are not all that and a bag of chips, IMO.

Besides, the only guys that have really taken steroids are the heavy's. And the heavy's are a totally different ball game and require a totally different skillset to win fights.

that's pretty ****** to say..
if you got fighter A and fighter B who both have the same skill level but fighter B is juicing.. who has the advantage?

[JoeyBB]

It's very rare to have fighters at the same skill level dude.

[JoeyBB]

So its a dumb comparison.

[Sin City]

So its a dumb comparison.

i'll take that as joeybb got

[Scott9945]

He was out cold long before he hit the floor. Morrison does have a glass jaw, just look at his fights against Purrity, Ruddock, Bentt, Lewis, well just about any of his fights.

Morrison ran out of gas but that's not because of steroid use (steroids actually help your stamina) but because he has too much muscle. I guess it could be contributed to steroid use but it's not entirely because of that.

Tommy was wiping the floor with Mercer and he threw lots of punches but Mercer took them all.
I'm sure just about anyone would get gassed after throwing so many punches.

Morrison got all that extra bulk from steroids. He had just finished filming the Rocky movie with Stallone and was no doubt juicing up with him. If you watch the fight you see that Morrison started to tire badly well before he was hurt. Either the steroids helped his stamina or they made him too muscular. You can't have it both ways.

[hulme#1]

It's not that great for boxing because boxing is a SCIENCE. Steroids dont help you see the openings. Steroids dont help you get a better jab. They may help with physical attributes like muscle, chin, toughness (basically your ability to sustain a power punch) but they are not all that and a bag of chips, IMO.

I think the point Thread Stealer is trying to make is - why do some seem to consider this sound reasoning for making steroid use seem excusable? Steroids don't make a boxer, but the physical 'benefits' they offer -- as detailed by you in the latter part of text quoted above -- can give one man the edge in a bout between two evenly matched opponents.


So, this...

It's very rare to have fighters at the same skill level dude.

...though arguable, isn't especially germaine a point. Since we're discussing a matter of sporting principle.

[JoeyBB]

I think the point Thread Stealer is trying to make is - why do some seem to consider this sound reasoning for making steroid use seem excusable? Steroids don't make a boxer, but the physical 'benefits' they offer -- as detailed by you in the latter part of text quoted above -- can give one man the edge in a bout between two evenly matched opponents.


So, this...

...though arguable, isn't especially germaine a point. Since we're discussing a matter of sporting principle.

...when do you have fighters at the same skill level bro? Very, very rare. They may be evenly matched but rarely on the same skill level. If ever.

[hulme#1]

...when do you have fighters at the same skill level bro? Very, very rare. They may be evenly matched but rarely on the same skill level. If ever.

Depends on your definition of "same". By "same", I just mean evenly matched fighters. One fighter not overmatched against the other. The key strengths of their skillsets may differ, but their respective armories make them more or less equal. A pick-'em fight, in other words.

[TheGreatA]

Morrison got all that extra bulk from steroids. He had just finished filming the Rocky movie with Stallone and was no doubt juicing up with him. If you watch the fight you see that Morrison started to tire badly well before he was hurt. Either the steroids helped his stamina or they made him too muscular. You can't have it both ways.

Steroid use helps your stamina but having too much muscle doesn't.

Steroids can also help you gain muscle but using steroids doesn't mean that your stamina becomes worse. Gaining too much muscle means your stamina becomes worse.

Steroid use doesn't mean you will gain lots of muscle, just look at James Toney.

Shane Mosley, Evander Holyfield, Fernando Vargas and Roy Jones have all been caught of steroid use but I wouldn't say their stamina is bad. Actually it was better because of it, they just kept their steroid use reasonable unlike Morrison who gained too much muscle.

[Thread Stealer]

Yeah, steriods can't make you a better boxer IMO

it allows you to train harder, longer, and recover faster.

say one guy can train for a certain amount of time but has to stop to rest his body.

the other guy can train longer and improve his muscle memory which is important in boxing.