Cal-Z fans... crybabies?

[moofo]

Yeah I don't see why. People give **** to Jones for not fighting Dariusz Michalczewski, when he got battered by Richard Hall after Jones beat Hall soundly.

Sven Ottke was the IBF champion and sure he had some gift decisions, but Calzaghe should have fought him.

That and Glen Johnson.

Yeah 2 steroid users.
Ottke never wanted Calzaghe.
And there was no way in hell he was going to fight him in Germany where all the judges were direct relatives of Ottke.

[Mozza]

He doesn't "need" to, but is it that big of a problem if he doesn't and fights in the US insted? I mean I'd assume it'd be better for Calzaghe to fight in the US then in the UK.

I mean he doesn't have to go and fight at 2 AM like he would in Wales because of the US people covering the fight. He'd have more time to adjust and get used to the US timezone then he'd be able to get used to be able to fight at 2 am in the morning.

He'd still have the fans on his side, since I'm damn sure people would come over for him like they did Hatton. Plus it gives him more bargining chips if he wants to make a hometown defense against a bigger US star like Pavlik because it shuts the people up who say "Well he has to come over to America because they have the better fighters"

He might as well get it out of the way and it's not that bad to fight in the US like some people say it is. Manny Pacquiao does it. Miguel Cotto does it. Lennox Lewis did it. Hell Ricky Hatton does it and I'm sure Amir Kahn will do it too.

Like I said, it's not a disadvantage to fight in the states so I'm not sure why it's such a big deal about people not wanting him too.

I don't care where he fights but I take exception to people using it as a criticism of him.

[Mozza]

Can you think of a more live opponent at LHW?

If he fought RJJ and beat him convincingly he wouldn't get any credit whatsoever, and who's Clinton Woods in the States?

I hate to say it, but he's gonna have to fight who the Americans want him to fight.

I don't think there will be much appetite for a fight with Johnson either from Calzaghe or HBO. A fight with Pavlik or Taylor seems more likely to me.

[Dynamite Kid]

Calzaghe overstayed his welcome at supper-middleweight defending that WBO title until finally people started noticing him more for his number of title defenses instead of who he has actually beaten.

He has 2 good names on his resume in Lacy and Kessler........great wins btw.


But for these Calzaghe fanatics to get on his bandwagon and suggest that he is unbeateable and that Hopkins has no chance in hell of winning is absurd.

They're in for a shock and a reality check if they really think that.

i love the way people like u forget to mention Eubank everytime LOL

oh im sorry Eubank was shot thats right ,a bit like the 40 year old McCallum Jones faced we cant have anybody saying things like that about King Roy ,we can say Eubank was shot but lets not say Toney was weight drained LOL

[warp1432]

You do realize that Sven Ottke did everything short of changing his name to avoid fighting anyone even close to mediocre, right?

What do you think he did when Joe Calzaghe called up?

Glen Johnson, Charles Brewer (you know the same guy Calzaghe gets credit for beating), Mundline, Mitchell (Yes I know Calzaghe destroyed him), and Reid* seem a lot more then Mediocre. Maybe not fantastic, but **** he was probably the best fighter in the super middlweight division other then Calzaghe over the years.

*Yes I realize that the Reid could be considered a "robbery", but it was his second to last fight.

I just think they should have fought. Calzaghe no way as hell ducked him, and I've never said that, but I think for Calzaghe's resume to be better then what it is, they should have fought.

edit:

Yeah 2 steroid users.
Ottke never wanted Calzaghe.
And there was no way in hell he was going to fight him in Germany where all the judges were direct relatives of Ottke

So basically what you're saying is that Calzaghe didn't want to risk his undefeated record against judges in Germany? You guys make Ottke sound like a bum and if he was, shouldn't Calzaghe been able to knock him out regradless the judges?

And even if he did get robbed, people would know that he would and he'd get credit for it just like Sweet Pea did for having a "draw" with JCC.

Not wanting to risk "being robbed by the judges" is a ****ty reason to be honest.

[Mozza]

Glen Johnson, Charles Brewer (you know the same guy Calzaghe gets credit for beating), Mundline, Mitchell (Yes I know Calzaghe destroyed him), and Reid* seem a lot more then Mediocre. Maybe not fantastic, but **** he was probably the best fighter in the super middlweight division other then Calzaghe over the years.

Ottke has like five split decisions on his record. That gives plenty of cause for concern.

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Why can't Calzaghe's resume be criticized? He's ranked number 2 or 3 P4P and he hasn't fought anyone else in the top 20. He has never fought outside SMW... He has never fought outside the UK (except for one fight in germany)... Other fighters do what they have to make the big fights. Calzaghe never has. He has resorted to fighting the likes of Peter Manfredo. I'm not saying he's not great... I'm just saying his resume opens the door to that question.

When did Floyd ever fight outside of America!?

Whats leaving your nation got to do with being p4p for ****s sakes.

ALSO... how can you say "Calzaghe has never fought outside the UK except for...erm..here, here, here and here..."

You ****ing ****.

[HappyBoxingFan]

When did Floyd ever fight outside of America!?

Whats leaving your nation got to do with being p4p for ****s sakes.

ALSO... how can you say "Calzaghe has never fought outside the UK except for...erm..here, here, here and here..."

You ****ing ****.

I think Floyd's resume does need work.

The big fights are in America. The big money is in America. That is why Ricky Hatton get so much respect here. He could have sat on his "0" and stayed in his weight class. He didn't. He said he wanted the big fights and did what was necessary to make that possible. He also didn't try to coast to a decision in his fight against PBF. He knew he would have to take the fight to him to win and risk getting knocked out. ANd he did. I have nothing but good things to say about Ricky Hatton. A complete class act. I cna't say the same about Calzaghe (WHo wouldn't even go to Denmark to help Kessler promote the fight).

Ok... You're right if this math equates: here, here, here, here and here = here

****? Nice response Mickey. Typical.

[warp1432]

Ottke has like five split decisions on his record. That gives plenty of cause for concern.

Yes, but enough concern to not fight him?

Also, to any Calzaghe fan who knows this in general. Why was the Johnson fight never put on again? It was set wasn't, but Johnson and Calzaghe kept postponing because of the injuries they had been going through right? Or something? Or was it Calzaghe that pulled out?

I'm a little vague on that subject, but I'm pretty sure they were set to fight at one time.