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  • Dynamite Kid
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    #11
    Originally posted by porlie
    I think he still wouldve lost by KO I think PBF was out to KO Hatton to prove a point and wouldve done regardless of Hattons tactics.
    Hatton would'nt have been KO'D if he had'nt been walking him down in staright lines & not using the jab , if u have ever boxed you'll know what happens when u walk onto a shot

    Floyd aint no power puncher ,Is Ricky chinny or were his tactics to blame ,which is it ?

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      #12
      Originally posted by divad
      Hatton would'nt have been KO'D if he had'nt been walking him down in staright lines & not using the jab , if u have ever boxed you'll know what happens when u walk onto a shot

      Floyd aint no power puncher ,Is Ricky chinny or were his tactics to blame ,which is it ?
      I have boxed, Hattons not chinny , PBFs not a power puncher but when he wants to he hits harder then people give him credit for.
      PBF had his tactics spot on that night, he was tiring Hatton out all fight which hed have done however Hatton fought or been bobbing and weaving coming in from the side it wouldnt have mattered, the end result wouldve been Hatton getting Ko'ed.

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        #13
        Originally posted by divad
        Hatton would'nt have been KO'D if he had'nt been walking him down in staright lines & not using the jab , if u have ever boxed you'll know what happens when u walk onto a shot

        Floyd aint no power puncher ,Is Ricky chinny or were his tactics to blame ,which is it ?
        Hatton got hurt badly by Collazo who isn't a power puncher. I don't think he can take flush shots at 147. I don't think he's chinny though. Mayweather caught him with a great shot, with or without Billy Graham, Hatton would've gotten caught sooner or later.

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          #14
          Originally posted by porlie
          I have boxed, Hattons not chinny , PBFs not a power puncher but when he wants to he hits harder then people give him credit for.
          PBF had his tactics spot on that night, he was tiring Hatton out all fight which hed have done however Hatton fought or been bobbing and weaving coming in from the side it wouldnt have mattered, the end result wouldve been Hatton getting Ko'ed.
          so u think Floyd Hits hard ,Hatton was the one tiring himself out with all his gappling bull**** he wore himself out ,no u are right it would'nt have mattered wether he was bobbing & weaving your right cause he should have been jabbing his way in not tying to feint his way in then unloading ,Floyd is to good of a counter puncher for that clearly

          they underestimated Floyd & got that tactics badly wrong

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            #15
            Originally posted by divad
            so u think Floyd Hits hard ,Hatton was the one tiring himself out with all his gappling bull**** he wore himself out ,no u are right it would'nt have mattered wether he was bobbing & weaving your right cause he should have been jabbing his way in not tying to feint his way in then unloading ,Floyd is to good of a counter puncher for that clearly

            they underestimated Floyd & got that tactics badly wrong
            PBF hits hard enough to KO people, no one would want to be eating shots from PBF.
            Jabbing his way in wouldnt have made any difference, a jab is only part of your attack and theres nothing to say Hatton couldve jabbed his way inside.
            It wouldnt have mattered which tactics Hatton had used, PBF wouldve still knocked him out IMO.

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              #16
              Originally posted by porlie
              PBF hits hard enough to KO people, no one would want to be eating shots from PBF.
              Jabbing his way in wouldnt have made any difference, a jab is only part of your attack and theres nothing to say Hatton couldve jabbed his way inside.
              It wouldnt have mattered which tactics Hatton had used, PBF wouldve still knocked him out IMO.
              so basically what your saying is PBF hits to hard for Hatton ,it had nothing to do with Ricky Tactics ,what im saying a good tactician should have new Ricky could'nt walk him down without Jab & be successfull if Ricky is not a jabber then they should have worked on developing his jab ,Oscar is not a preassure fighter but he adopted those tactics to try & beat PBF

              If u have a style that does'nt suit your oponent u make adjustments that what great fighters do ,clearly Ricky can only fight one way the only tactic Ricky had that was taken away from him was to punch & hold thats what Grahams tactics are

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                #17
                Originally posted by divad
                so basically what your saying is PBF hits to hard for Hatton ,it had nothing to do with Ricky Tactics ,what im saying a good tactician should have new Ricky could'nt walk him down without Jab & be successfull if Ricky is not a jabber then they should have worked on developing his jab ,Oscar is not a preassure fighter but he adopted those tactics to try & beat PBF

                If u have a style that does'nt suit your oponent u make adjustments that what great fighters do ,clearly Ricky can only fight one way the only tactic Ricky had that was taken away from him was to punch & hold thats what Grahams tactics are
                Im saying PBF wouldve always out thought anyone he was fighting, he KO'ed Hatton to prove a point.
                He could KO more people but only does what he has to to win, but Hatton mustve pissed him off enough that hes thought I'll show ya.
                I dont think any trainer couldve got Hatton the win that night ,tactics are important aye but a great boxer can overcome and win no matter what tactics theyre up aginst.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by porlie
                  Im saying PBF wouldve always out thought anyone he was fighting, he KO'ed Hatton to prove a point.
                  He could KO more people but only does what he has to to win, but Hatton mustve pissed him off enough that hes thought I'll show ya.
                  I dont think any trainer couldve got Hatton the win that night ,tactics are important aye but a great boxer can overcome and win no matter what tactics theyre up aginst.

                  1 ive already said PBF would have beaten Hatton im not dis*****g that

                  PBF did'nt go after Hatton to KO him IMO he did what he does i did 'nt see any more aggressive intent than normal from him ive have seen him alot more aggressive against Fighters like Hernandez ,Gatti ,Manfredy etc that is an excuse Hatton KO'd Himslef by walking onto counters ,Floyd never planted his feet for the shot it was accurate but no devestating he did'nt put all his power into it IMO

                  ive seen PBF beat quite a few fighters ive never seen any of his oponents walk onto shots like Hatton did

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by divad
                    1 ive already said PBF would have beaten Hatton im not dis*****g that

                    PBF did'nt go after Hatton to KO him IMO he did what he does i did 'nt see any more aggressive intent than normal from him ive have seen him alot more aggressive against Fighters like Hernandez ,Gatti ,Manfredy etc that is an excuse Hatton KO'd Himslef by walking onto counters ,Floyd never planted his feet for the shot it was accurate but no devestating he did'nt put all his power into it IMO

                    ive seen PBF beat quite a few fighters ive never seen any of his oponents walk onto shots like Hatton did
                    He never went after Hatton the way did Gatti etc but he was always going out to KO Hatton he was picking his shots, mounting them up and you could see he was going out to KO Hatton IMO.
                    Floyd never had to plant his feet he used Hattons momentum against him when his chance came to Ko Hatton, had that chance not came I think PBF wouldve planted his feet and landed a good combo that wouldve Ko'ed Hatton.
                    Once Hatton got tired he was wide open to big shots from PBF, no tactics would change that IMO.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by porlie
                      He never went after Hatton the way did Gatti etc but he was always going out to KO Hatton he was picking his shots, mounting them up and you could see he was going out to KO Hatton IMO.
                      Floyd never had to plant his feet he used Hattons momentum against him when his chance came to Ko Hatton, had that chance not came I think PBF wouldve planted his feet and landed a good combo that wouldve Ko'ed Hatton.
                      Once Hatton got tired he was wide open to big shots from PBF, no tactics would change that IMO.
                      your just using excuses mate Hatton tired himself out with all the holding ,u are crazy if u think Floyd was going all out to KO Hatton that was'nt the case at all Floyd boxed like he always does & the opurtunity came & Floyd took it

                      Hatton does'nt only no throw Jabs he does'nt throw Straight shots like 1 2's ,he throws nothing down the middle his hooks are wide aswell ,how on earth did he expect to land against a defensive master like Floyd witht that kind of attack , ill tel u Ricky thought he would be able to maul PBF but he was'nt & he lost cause he is 1 dimmensional

                      my biggest criticism of Hatton is his anxiety to close the range to quickly without Jabbing he paid for it against Collazo to a degree
                      Last edited by Dynamite Kid; 01-14-2008, 10:10 AM.

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