Harold Lederman is a good ****in judge!

[Fox McCloud]

I don't think that using punchstats is an accurate gauge of how the fight is going. You can land 150 clean punches in a round but if they're not effective they aren't worth anything. You can land ten little jabs and if they are making a difference to your opponent's 150 punches and your opponent's punches aren't affecting you then you win the round on CLEAN and EFFECTIVE punches.

Okay... well if you watch round 1, you will see that the 6 shots of Chavez aren't effective at all... outstretched winging punches while Floyd is dancing away. Floyd does some good counter work for his 23 connects.

[Parody]

Lederman's scoring sucks big time. He's getting old anyway

[TopDawg]

Coming from a Ricky Hatton fan that says Lederman is a judge, you probably had the fight dead even or Hatton up by a point when Floyd KO'd your boy.

[Mozza]

Well whatever... I seriously doubt that you can justify only giving 2 rounds to the fighter who landed more shots overall.

More shots don't mean an automatic win, but it also should mean an automatic round or 2 being thrown your way.

The problem, so far as I can see it, is that there is no published guide on how to score a fight. Judges are given verbal briefings and seminars which effectively means they are being told things which the fans may not be aware of.

[Mozza]

Coming from a Ricky Hatton fan that says Lederman is a judge, you probably had the fight dead even or Hatton up by a point when Floyd KO'd your boy.

Eh... what?

[C'MONMANG']

To be honest... I think it is hard to be a bad judge in boxing. How many people can have a credible argument that you scored a close round wrong? Not many, because the round was close. All you have to do is get the landslide rounds correct.

Harold struggles to do so a lot.

Round 1 of Mayweather-Hatton
Round 2 of Calzaghe-Kessler
Round 1 of Hopkins-Trinidad
Round 1 of Mayweather-Chavez

4 DOMINANT rounds that Lederman scored the wrong way.

I haven't seen that many fights in my lifetime, and he has blown 4 of the easiest rounds to score. That is a travesty.

Who did you give round 1 to in May/Hatt?

[Fox McCloud]

Who did you give round 1 to in May/Hatt?

I gave it to Mayweather... he landed a ton of shots, and Hatton's biggest part of the round was when he stepped on Mayweather's shoe and he stumbled back.

Now, go ahead and berate me.

[warp1432]

I gave it to Mayweather... he landed a ton of shots, and Hatton's biggest part of the round was when he stepped on Mayweather's shoe and he stumbled back.

Now, go ahead and berate me.

You've only been boxing for a year, you wouldn't know!!11

Honestly I used to agree with Harold, but more and more I'm starting to hate him. I mean ****, his reasoning for Hopkins-Wright was terrible. "I can't give credit to a fighter who is doing all the holding" While Hopkins was deeply throwing Winky off his game plan, Winky not landing that many clean shots while I felt Bernard was landing more, and then he doesn't even notice Wright is doing it in the later rounds.

He's a pretty bad judge to be honest.

[tills9191]

I tell ya' something Jim.
57-59 for Mayweather.
I gotta tell ya' Jim.

[kayjay]

So...

Round 1 of Mayweather-Chavez.

Punchstats:
Mayweather - 23 out of 56
Chavez 6 out of 92

Harold gives it to... JESUS CHAVEZ!

What a ****ing travesty. Especially because Chavez is a ****ing featherfist. You can't even make the argument that those 6 punches were devastating, because they weren't. They were taps from a featherfist.

DWiens, no offense buddy but you can't come at us with punch stats, as if those were any more accurate than the judging in the first place.

Harold Lederman has forgotten more about scoring a fight than you or I will ever learn. He's top notch