Hatton-Pacquiao: Boxing History or a Mismatch?

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  • JoartCC
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    #11
    Originally posted by BIGPOPPAPUMP
    Well documented? Pacquiao has come to the ring once that I can recall at over 140 pounds. Weight has nothing to do with it. That is ridiculous logic. Pacquiao started at 106-pounds. Hatton is physically much stronger than Pacquiao and he's very fast at 140, where Pacquiao would be sluggish at that weight (also said by Freddie Roach in a past interview). Look at how sluggish Pacquiao was for Barrera when he came in at over 140 on fight night.
    With all due respect.

    You are 100% wrong.

    I have a question for you.

    Do you call sluggish a fighter who pressed his opponent yet his opponent barely made 20 percent of his shots?

    I'm kinda laughing near my pc right now. Really.

    Sluggish???

    Hitting in the high 30's and avoiding in the low 20s?? Sluggish?

    That's not sluggish.

    That is what WE CALL A BOXING CLINIC.

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    • Left2body
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      #12
      Originally posted by JoartCC
      With all due respect.

      You are 100% wrong.

      I have a question for you.

      Do you call sluggish a fighter who pressed his opponent yet his opponent barely made 20 percent of his shots?

      I'm kinda laughing near my pc right now. Really.

      Sluggish???

      Hitting in the high 30's and avoiding in the low 20s?? Sluggish?

      That's not sluggish.

      That is what WE CALL A BOXING CLINIC.
      Dude do you think that Hatton will come in at 140lbs come fight time....hell no. Ricky gains around 10lbs after weight in which is fairly normal. I know Hatton weight 147lbs for his Tzu fight and that was years ago.

      No slight against Pac but its too big a jump and its not needed. There are very good boxers before 140lbs. Juan Diaz, Guzman

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      • DLT
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        #13
        Originally posted by BIGPOPPAPUMP
        Well documented? Pacquiao has come to the ring once that I can recall at over 140 pounds. Weight has nothing to do with it. That is ridiculous logic. Pacquiao started at 106-pounds. Hatton is physically much stronger than Pacquiao and he's very fast at 140, where Pacquiao would be sluggish at that weight (also said by Freddie Roach in a past interview). Look at how sluggish Pacquiao was for Barrera when he came in at over 140 on fight night.
        Pac has been very big for a while now. He was 144 for the 3rd fight with EM and he definatly wasnt sluggished then. His move up in weight is also fake like Duran's. Both of those guys were just huge guys killing themselves to fight at lower weights. Pac was never a real 106 pounder. It would be like Floyd fighting at 112. He couldve done it but he didnt want to beat up on little guys or ruin his body. Look how huge Duran is now and how big he was at 154. He shouldve never fought at LW. Its the same with Pac. He started at 106 and now fights at 130 coming into the ring as the samething Floyd weighs at WW. When Floyd moves up he is always smaller then his opponents and never puts on any weight hardly. Pac moves up and gets bigger at every weight. He's damn near the biggest guy in the division everytime he moves up. He looks like a monster at 130 and makes everyone looks like a little boy.

        A Hatton fight may not be all the way reasonable but I wouldnt be shocked if it was. Pac is much bigger then people give him credit for and Im talking about literaly and naturaly

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          #14
          Originally posted by BIGPOPPAPUMP
          Well documented? Pacquiao has come to the ring once that I can recall at over 140 pounds. Weight has nothing to do with it. That is ridiculous logic. Pacquiao started at 106-pounds. Hatton is physically much stronger than Pacquiao and he's very fast at 140, where Pacquiao would be sluggish at that weight (also said by Freddie Roach in a past interview). Look at how sluggish Pacquiao was for Barrera when he came in at over 140 on fight night.
          I don't want to see this fight. Hatton has so many advantages @ 140 over Manny that I wouldn't even give him that much credit for beating him. If Hatton could get down to a catch weight of around 135/136 then it would be much more interesting but Hatton would still noticably have more power and would be very fast at that weight.

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            #15
            Bigtime mismatch. Pac will be slow with less power at that weight. Hatton will KO him.

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            • DLT
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              #16
              Originally posted by JoartCC
              When this fight happens and if Pac beats Hatton.

              ALL so-called idiot American critics will be crying in their pants.

              And it will establish once and for all Floyd as a fake and Pac as the greatest of his era.

              On the other hand.

              Using plain and basic common sense.

              This is what greatness is all about.

              Not some Fake FLoyd fighting a blown up Hatton then retiring like a ***** on the pretense that he has done enough.

              On the contrary, he has done nothing,

              When will the ******ity end?

              Can anyone be dumber than that? Believing Fake FLoyd's hype over a blown up Hatton then retiring like a chicken so that he won't have to fight Cotto, Williams, CIntron, Margarito, etc.

              Real Welters.

              What a ****ing joke.

              And a lot of you gus here seems to buy into this joke.
              Your a fool if you believe this and a flat out hater. What are you talking about? A blown up Hatton and Floyd being a real WW? Floyd started 2 divisions lower then Hatton. Floyd came into the ring at 138 for his 130 pound fights, 139 for his 135 pound fights, 144 for his 140 pound fights, 146 for his WW fights, and 148 for his only fight at 154.

              Stop trying to make Floyd sound like he is this big monster who started at WW. He's not. He's P4P the smallest guy in boxing by far. He doesnt gain weight and is much smaller then those WW's. Saying that he beat up on a little Hatton is so ******. Are you knew to the game? Do you remember Floyd fighting Chico at 130 when Chico came into the ring at 147 pounds? What about Floyd fighting a Castillo that made him look like a little boy? Anyone could see that those guys were way bigger then Floyd and if you ask people who is bigger now, they will still tell you those other 2 guys are bigger. Floyd can move up because he is that good but his body stays small. You cant keep ripping the guy for being that good. Hatton fought Collazo weighing 160 in the ring. Floyd has never even weighed 150, let alone 160.

              If Hatton was smaller then Floyd in this fight its because Hatton's team chose to be. It was well documented how they wanted to come in alot smaller which was dumb by them. If you look at Floyd and then look at Cotto, there is no comparison. They make him look like a little boy. Thats why they want to fight him. They know he doesnt belong there at all. Pac beating Hatton wouldnt prove much to me because Pac is way bigger then people think and Floyd is way smaller then people now seem to think he is. Its funny how people talk about someone being blown up. If anyone is blown up then its Floyd. He's the only guy in boxing right now fighting at his walk around weight. He's clearly a blown up LW. Even Paulie & N'Goudu make him look small. Its just that Floyd is so good that he can move up and it has actually penalized him because now people make him sound like he's a freakin MW or something which is so ******. Then you talk about the American media? What have you been reading? They hate Floyd with a passion.

              Are you really going to be that much of a homer to say that Floyd fighting Hatton is a unfair matchup but a Mayweather who has moved up unaturally and is in his 4th division fighting against super huge WW's in there 1st division is a fair matchup? Thats a joke. The only guy at WW who has moved up from a lower weight is Cotto and everyone knew that he was always a WW fighting at 140. He came into all the weigh-ins looking like a dead man who killed himself to make weight. Every single one of those guys at WW arent even WW's. There 154 pounders who stay down and try to beat up on little guys. All the top guys are huge and Floyd is in his 4th division but thats fair?
              Last edited by DLT; 01-08-2008, 04:31 AM.

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                #17
                Originally posted by JoartCC
                With all due respect.

                You are 100% wrong.

                I have a question for you.

                Do you call sluggish a fighter who pressed his opponent yet his opponent barely made 20 percent of his shots?

                I'm kinda laughing near my pc right now. Really.

                Sluggish???

                Hitting in the high 30's and avoiding in the low 20s?? Sluggish?

                That's not sluggish.

                That is what WE CALL A BOXING CLINIC.
                I have a question for you?

                Why is it that you strive to be overly attacking in all of your posts?

                Is it not okay that BigPoppa has an opinion about Pacquiao? He probably knows a bit about him, considering I have seen a fight of Pacquiao's that Ronnie was commentating for.

                Anyways, if your boy beats Hatton at 140, that would be one HELL of an accomplishment.

                The smaller you are, the harder it is to move up a significant amount of pounds (not weight classes), and that would be 34 pounds north of where he started. I would have to seriously think about whether he deserves to jump Floyd in the P4P rankings if he pulled that off.

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                • Tuggers1986
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by DWiens421
                  I have a question for you?

                  Why is it that you strive to be overly attacking in all of your posts?

                  Is it not okay that BigPoppa has an opinion about Pacquiao? He probably knows a bit about him, considering I have seen a fight of Pacquiao's that Ronnie was commentating for.

                  Anyways, if your boy beats Hatton at 140, that would be one HELL of an accomplishment.

                  The smaller you are, the harder it is to move up a significant amount of pounds (not weight classes), and that would be 34 pounds north of where he started. I would have to seriously think about whether he deserves to jump Floyd in the P4P rankings if he pulled that off.
                  Good post...

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                  • sterling
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                    #19
                    Theres no way pac would get up to 140lbs and stil be his usual self to fight ricky hatton this would be a fight that ricky hatton would win and its more risk then reward for pac because ricky hatton isnt a great fighter.

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                    • Johnny Rebel
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                      #20
                      This fight is far from a mismatch. Pac is closer to Hatton than Ricky was to Floyd and nobody complained about the size advantage Floyd had. Floyd may have started professionally at 130 but he's a proper WW now. Look at his frame.

                      People forget how small Hatton was and if he had better eating habits he could have fought at 130. Ricky Hatton has a naturally small frame as the picture below shows.

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