Are some races naturally better boxers?

[sonofisis]

You said:

People who don't believe such are at least slightly familiar with human biology


The statements are not equivalent. Surely some people neither are familiar with human biology nor believe such.

Oh, the previous was just a typo, but I get what you're saying and agree to its triviality. Though what I was trying to convey is indeed what I typed given that I was simply building off of what he'd said (that people DON"T want to believe). It isn't necessary that my response be universally applicable since it wasn't meant literally but as a set up per subsequent refutation.

For "Kenyans": would a well-conditioned "Kenyan" be favored over other "well-conditioned" athletes of "lighter" skin?

What the hell does skin color have to do with physical performance? You'd be better off referencing lung adaptation and body plans. In this instance, a light skinned man from Kenya indeed may be predisposed to run long distance better than say, a dark skinned Australian Aboriginee.

I'm not sure so I'll leave it up to you. I haven't checked the numbers. I'm not even sure if they have built up their genetics a bit from generations of doing intense long distance training, which could be possible.

Benny.. Please read a bit more literature before you go making such rash assertions. What you are hypothesizing I assure you is completely foreign to population geneticists. The bolded part is extra ridiculous and hard to even address given its general absurdity. Just know that it IS NOT possible. Such adaptations take thousands of years to manifest and merely running wouldn't be a way of honing it. lol

[kadyo's]

Golf used to be a whiteman's game but look whose dominating now. Tennis is a whiteman's game as well and look at the william's sisters success. I haven't heard of any black guy who has gained stardom in swimming though. Maybe their body is more dense according to one theory but I'm not sure. Whether we like it or not, boxing has been dominated by blacks for several decades and what we are seeing now is kind of a phenomenon which I hope will become the trend. As I read some posters here, the term "great white hope" is now a passe in boxing.

[ferocity]

Golf used to be a whiteman's game but look whose dominating now. Tennis is a whiteman's game as well and look at the william's sisters success. I haven't heard of any black guy who has gained stardom in swimming though. Maybe their body is more dense according to one theory but I'm not sure. Whether we like it or not, boxing has been dominated by blacks for several decades and what we are seeing now is kind of a phenomenon which I hope will become the trend. As I read some posters here, the term "great white hope" is now a passe in boxing.

"used to be a whiteman's game"

What does that mean? Boxing was created by whites too.

In boxing you can have one perticular race dominate then it goes around to the next, or even one fighter as in Pacquiao representing Phillipines. I don't think one race has always dominated all the time. Mexicans are dominating still in the lower weight classes. We used to have champion at time in 3-4 consecative divisions.

I belive it is the hungriest fighter, poorest fighter becames the best or excellss. Nothing to do with race. Of Cousre i'll be lieing if i didn't admit that the recent white champions have motiviated other whites and changed boxing and a few dumb stereotypes.

[Benny Leonard]

What the hell does skin color have to do with physical performance? You'd be better off referencing lung adaptation and body plans. In this instance, a light skinned man from Kenya indeed may be predisposed to run long distance better than say, a dark skinned Australian Aboriginee.




Benny.. Please read a bit more literature before you go making such rash assertions. What you are hypothesizing I assure you is completely foreign to population geneticists. The bolded part is extra ridiculous and hard to even address given its general absurdity. Just know that it IS NOT possible. Such adaptations take thousands of years to manifest and merely running wouldn't be a way of honing it. lol

I was being an absurd because I am tired of these threads; they pop out from time to time. Skin color was the joke, although not Funny-hahahaha type, unless your humor is on that wave.

For genetics: actually, I did read one not to long ago about certain "races" (and that is ethnic backgrounds or "groups") actually do defer more than originally thought, although it is still slightly since it is still in the 95+% same.
If I can ever upload my AOL, I'll send it to you.

Oh, for Kenyans, sooo, what about bone structure?
I don't know, just a thought. Of course it helps running from an early age.

I really don't know, I'm not doing the tests and it is not my study.


Going back to breeding, it does happen, NO?, and it does help your chances, NO?

[kayjay]

ferocity in the Americas often boxing flourishes among the poor, but that's not the case everywhere. Calzaghe was not poor. The Klitschkos were not poor either. Mayweather did not exactly grow up impoverished. And there you have some of today's dominant boxers.

[kayjay]

Going back to breeding, it does happen, NO?, and it does help your chances, NO?

What Isis was objecting to was your suggestion that generations of jogging breeds better stamina. Acquired traits are not inheritable (that's why they're acquired). If I lift weights, it won't make my children have bigger muscles. Nor will they be smarter if I study more. That's not how it works.

[Benny Leonard]

What Isis was objecting to was your suggestion that generations of jogging breeds better stamina. Acquired traits are not inheritable (that's why they're acquired). If I lift weights, it won't make my children have bigger muscles. Nor will they be smarter if I study more. That's not how it works.

Ah.


So acquired would be more on the line of eating healthy and exercising from a young age to build up your own body, but still has limitations based on genetics supplied by Mother-Father.

But it does help for your parents to have been athletic and healthy, no?

[sonofisis]

Well, **** me, if it's not an english degree at work.

For all my ability I would not be able to notice that.

Well, kayjay is actually pretty sharp, I'd admit that, never really denied it (I don't think).

[sonofisis]

I was being an absurd because I am tired of these threads; they pop out from time to time. Skin color was the joke, although not Funny-hahahaha type, unless your humor is on that wave.

I get you and also agree that these threads are ******..

For genetics: actually, I did read one not to long ago about certain "races" (and that is ethnic backgrounds or "groups") actually do defer more than originally thought, although it is still slightly since it is still in the 95+% same.
If I can ever upload my AOL, I'll send it to you.

Yes, I'd like to access this study since what you report is impossible. Humans are 99.8-9% the same, genetically speaking and Chimpanzees share approx. 98% of our DNA, so 95% between the so-called races is impossible.Matter of fact, out of that .2 % of differences between populations, 85% of that even is completely dependent on the individual, hence, "race" doesn't exist, it is only a social concept identified through superficial physical attributes.
http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/racepp.htm

Oh, for Kenyans, sooo, what about bone structure?
I don't know, just a thought. Of course it helps running from an early age.

What helps them is generally and predominantly 2 things outside of dedication and practice.

1. Elongated, tropical body plans that are adapted to alleviate heat and make longer strides. This is necessary in the tropics and the savanah where early humans survived by staying alert, using their brain, and being able to run from predators while sustaining their endurance..

2. Lung capacity. Given that the vast majority of eastern Africa is situated in more mountainous regions, people who've resided there for a long time have physically adapted to breathing thin air, hence they have more lung capacity than those used to breathing in air at sea level.

Going back to breeding, it does happen, NO?, and it does help your chances, NO?

Kayjay addressed this, but I will add that such artificial selection has to be entirely more controlled and sustained in order to be effective. At the end of the day, you won't be able to isolate any gene responsible for boxing skills or even inherent strength as you can track such traits like eye/fur color and stature in dogs.

[kayjay]

At the end of the day, you won't be able to isolate any gene responsible for boxing skills or even inherent strength as you can track such traits like eye/fur color and stature in dogs.

This last part is the key to this discussion: there's not a single physiological trait which produces, by itself, good boxing. I still believe that various physiological tendencies among certain peoples may encourage strengths in various aspects of boxing, which is why I posted this above:

I think people of Native American descent (many hispanics, for instance) have an advantage in the broad shape of their jaws. Baldomir's jawline is pure Native, not spanish. Duran had a Native's jawline to some extent. There are more examples.

White people have a disadvantage in our narrow noses; many blacks (e.g. Jermain Taylor) have too high a cheekbone for a boxer, which causes swelling around/under the eye.

There are many more examples like this, but I don't usually mention them as they're too easily misunderstood.

But none of these traits make or break a boxer.