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  • Technical_Skill
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    Antonio Tarver @ Light-Heavy

    Just watched the Antonio Tarver Elvir Miriqui Fight. Ive gotta say, Tarver still has the skills there, he was pure class on spots during the fight against a good tough opponent, the reality is if he can sort a few things out, he can become undisputed champ at 175.

    First of all Tarver's big weakness is on the inside, he doesnt block to the body well, he backs himself up against the ropes and doesnt give himself enough time and distance to operate, so if a class fighter can get inside tarver, then he would be in real trouble.

    The flipside to this is that when tarver is on his toes, and creating angles for himself he would handle pretty much any of the top guys at 175, seriously, i dont know how in the hell he lost to Hopkins, because tarver is real slick and was an absolute joy to watch at times.

    To beat this guy you have to back him up against the ropes with a jab and fire to body and head, dont give him space to operate. Because when tarver fires that southpaw jab, if you lean in and try to land on him, he shoulder rolls to create angles for that awesome left hand. Any fighter at 175 that cannot get inside tarver is in serious serious trouble.

    Dawson talks alot, but i saw him against adamek, he had the fight under control but then allowed himself to get knocked down with a silly shot, he is 'clearly isnt the finished article. Right now i would pick dawson over Tarver because of dawsons jab, high output and speed, but i can really see tarver beating him if tarver can stop dawson coming though him with the jab and fire combos off it when in close. Anyhow dawson gets hung up on the outside with tarver i think tarver can hurt him with the lead.

    For me Tarver should take another tune up, ideally against Clinton Woods who he would kill in either the USA ir the UK and then either hopkins or Calzaghe or Dawson.

    Dont sleep on tarver guys, the guy clearly has something left in the tank and he can potentially beat any of the big names at 175, he is boxing clever, nice jab, has nice defense when picking off straight shots, creates angles ala James toney and has nasty power in that left hand.

    And by the way Showtime's coverage is far superior to HBO'S. Al bernstein is way more boxing clever then Larry Merchant, Lampley and Lederman put together, he actually knows how to score a fight and know how to analyse weaknessess and strengths in a fighter.
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    Originally posted by Technical_Skill
    Just watched the Antonio Tarver Elvir Miriqui Fight. Ive gotta say, Tarver still has the skills there, he was pure class on spots during the fight against a good tough opponent, the reality is if he can sort a few things out, he can become undisputed champ at 175.

    First of all Tarver's big weakness is on the inside, he doesnt block to the body well, he backs himself up against the ropes and doesnt give himself enough time and distance to operate, so if a class fighter can get inside tarver, then he would be in real trouble.

    The flipside to this is that when tarver is on his toes, and creating angles for himself he would handle pretty much any of the top guys at 175, seriously, i dont know how in the hell he lost to Hopkins, because tarver is real slick and was an absolute joy to watch at times.

    To beat this guy you have to back him up against the ropes with a jab and fire to body and head, dont give him space to operate. Because when tarver fires that southpaw jab, if you lean in and try to land on him, he shoulder rolls to create angles for that awesome left hand. Any fighter at 175 that cannot get inside tarver is in serious serious trouble.

    Dawson talks alot, but i saw him against adamek, he had the fight under control but then allowed himself to get knocked down with a silly shot, he is 'clearly isnt the finished article. Right now i would pick dawson over Tarver because of dawsons jab, high output and speed, but i can really see tarver beating him if tarver can stop dawson coming though him with the jab and fire combos off it when in close. Anyhow dawson gets hung up on the outside with tarver i think tarver can hurt him with the lead.

    For me Tarver should take another tune up, ideally against Clinton Woods who he would kill in either the USA ir the UK and then either hopkins or Calzaghe or Dawson.

    Dont sleep on tarver guys, the guy clearly has something left in the tank and he can potentially beat any of the big names at 175, he is boxing clever, nice jab, has nice defense when picking off straight shots, creates angles ala James toney and has nasty power in that left hand.

    And by the way Showtime's coverage is far superior to HBO'S. Al bernstein is way more boxing clever then Larry Merchant, Lampley and Lederman put together, he actually knows how to score a fight and know how to analyse weaknessess and strengths in a fighter.
    I believe he fighting lacy next if it goes through. I'd pick him to beat lacy but if lacy could get on the inside and pick up on thoses weaknesses then maybe he could finish tarvers career.

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      Originally posted by No1
      I believe he fighting lacy next if it goes through. I'd pick him to beat lacy but if lacy could get on the inside and pick up on thoses weaknesses then maybe he could finish tarvers career.
      Tarver just needs to condition himself a little better so he doesnt have to fight consistently in spots. If he can do that and achieve a high output volume, he should murder a guy like Lacy. I need to see lacy manfredo, but tarver fighting lacy is smart matchmaking, cos tarver at 100% would absolutley destroy lacy, lacy would try to jump inside, tarver would create angles for uppercuts and leads, horrible fight for lacy if tarver can get himself together.
      Last edited by Technical_Skill; 01-06-2008, 07:53 AM.

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        Sorry but to me Tarver looked like crap in his last fight. Lacy also looked bad in his last fight against Manfredo, hes not the same fighter, so Tarver may be able to beat him. But i hope lacy will look better and beat Tarver.

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          Originally posted by Tobi.G
          Sorry but to me Tarver looked like crap in his last fight. Lacy also looked bad in his last fight against Manfredo, hes not the same fighter, so Tarver may be able to beat him. But i hope lacy will look better and beat Tarver.
          Okay, i think Tarver was world class in spots, but i guess we will find out, seriously tho, he would kill clinton woods, so thats an IBF title to go with his IBO, except woods isnt ****** enough to fight tarver. And the dawson thing isnt as concrete as some would have you believe, when it happens, if tarver is correctly conditioned, he has a real chance, on the outside, id favor tarver over dawson, overall, id say dawson could make him look bad, but either way tarver would have a legit chance against any fighter at 175 right now, i stress, subject to him being conditioned correctly.
          Last edited by Technical_Skill; 01-06-2008, 07:58 AM.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Technical_Skill
            Just watched the Antonio Tarver Elvir Miriqui Fight. Ive gotta say, Tarver still has the skills there, he was pure class on spots during the fight against a good tough opponent, the reality is if he can sort a few things out, he can become undisputed champ at 175.

            First of all Tarver's big weakness is on the inside, he doesnt block to the body well, he backs himself up against the ropes and doesnt give himself enough time and distance to operate, so if a class fighter can get inside tarver, then he would be in real trouble.

            The flipside to this is that when tarver is on his toes, and creating angles for himself he would handle pretty much any of the top guys at 175, seriously, i dont know how in the hell he lost to Hopkins, because tarver is real slick and was an absolute joy to watch at times.

            To beat this guy you have to back him up against the ropes with a jab and fire to body and head, dont give him space to operate. Because when tarver fires that southpaw jab, if you lean in and try to land on him, he shoulder rolls to create angles for that awesome left hand. Any fighter at 175 that cannot get inside tarver is in serious serious trouble.

            Dawson talks alot, but i saw him against adamek, he had the fight under control but then allowed himself to get knocked down with a silly shot, he is 'clearly isnt the finished article. Right now i would pick dawson over Tarver because of dawsons jab, high output and speed, but i can really see tarver beating him if tarver can stop dawson coming though him with the jab and fire combos off it when in close. Anyhow dawson gets hung up on the outside with tarver i think tarver can hurt him with the lead.

            For me Tarver should take another tune up, ideally against Clinton Woods who he would kill in either the USA ir the UK and then either hopkins or Calzaghe or Dawson.

            Dont sleep on tarver guys, the guy clearly has something left in the tank and he can potentially beat any of the big names at 175, he is boxing clever, nice jab, has nice defense when picking off straight shots, creates angles ala James toney and has nasty power in that left hand.

            And by the way Showtime's coverage is far superior to HBO'S. Al bernstein is way more boxing clever then Larry Merchant, Lampley and Lederman put together, he actually knows how to score a fight and know how to analyse weaknessess and strengths in a fighter.
            thats the thing with hopkins, he nulifies his opponents, does no one thing exceptionally but everything very well

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            • MELLY-MEL...
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              uh, i saw tarver's last fight, and i have to tell u at 39 he is showing it!

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                Woods would handle him I think.

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                  Originally posted by Technical_Skill
                  Okay, i think Tarver was world class in spots, but i guess we will find out, seriously tho, he would kill clinton woods, so thats an IBF title to go with his IBO, except woods isnt ****** enough to fight tarver. And the dawson thing isnt as concrete as some would have you believe, when it happens, if tarver is correctly conditioned, he has a real chance, on the outside, id favor tarver over dawson, overall, id say dawson could make him look bad, but either way tarver would have a legit chance against any fighter at 175 right now, i stress, subject to him being conditioned correctly.
                  Dawson is the future of the light heavyweight division and if he beats Johnson he also would have no problems against Tarver. I also think Tarver would lose to Johnson in a rematch. I think you are overrating Tarver a bit.

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                    Originally posted by Tobi.G
                    Dawson is the future of the light heavyweight division and if he beats Johnson he also would have no problems against Tarver. I also think Tarver would lose to Johnson in a rematch. I think you are overrating Tarver a bit.
                    Lets see what happens, tarver still has something left, i wouldnt get too hyped over dawson, he's not the finished article, no i dont think glen johnson would beat tarver again, and for the other guy who posted, tarver would kill clinton woods, lets see wat happens, even at 39 tarver boxing skills are on another level to woods and johnson's.

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