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  • IronFistKilla
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    #1

    Who has better resume at welterweight??

    I'm confused at how people say Floyd has not fought anybody at welterweight. Out of the current champions of the division who has a better resume? I'll start with

    Kermit Cintron.
    1.) won the vacant IBF title in an eliminator over the accomplished Mark Suarez
    2.)Knocked out Walter Mattheyse in 2. Very impressive win but Walter never held a title or had big win.
    3.) Looked very lackluster against Feliciano who was a B+ fighter

    Paul Williams
    1.) Big win of Antonio Margarito but Margarito has never beaten an 'A' fighter.
    2.)TKO and KO against Pakau and Sharba Mitchell. Pakau never held a title and Sharmba best days are long gone.

    Cotto
    1.)Very impressive decision over Shane Moseley who had the WBC interim title.
    2.) TKO over Zab Judah. No excuses, but Zab just came from 1yr suspension 1 round NC over Galvan
    3.) TKO and KO over Oktay Urkal and Carlos Quintana. Neither of these fighters were ever champions in the division

    Floyd Mayweather
    1.) KO over junion welter Hatton. Impressive win. Hatton was the man at 140. People forget that floyd started his career at 130 and Hatton has been at 140 his whole career
    2.) UD over Baldomir. A Career welterweight who just beat the undisputed welterweight champion. Blame it on Judah being unprepared all you want, fact is, Baldomir beat the man so he was the man.
    3.) UD over Judah. Former undisputed ww champion.


    Fact is, neither of these champions have numerous wins over fighters who are both natural welters and champions/great fighters. The only fighter that Paul fought who was a natural welter and champion was Margarito. Floyd only has a win against champ and natural welter Baldomir. Cotto and Cintron haven't beat a natural welter who was also a champ. So, it's double standard against Floyd. As far as size goes, Paul has fought the biggest natural welter out there and beat him. So, if floyds resume is weak at ww the others are just as weak.
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    #2
    Cotto imo.

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    • moofo
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      #3
      I think most people who have a problem with Floyd's resume at 147 is that he is fighting in the most talent rich division in Boxing.
      Couple this with the fact that Floyd is proclaimed to be the Best pound for pound fighter on the planet he should be entertaining all these challengers to his Welterweight crown.
      Floyd could cement his place as a top 10 all time great by fighting and beating these challengers.

      As a Boxing fan this is the most frustrating part of the sport.
      In EVERY other Sport THE BEST FACE THE BEST no matter what.
      You don't get 100m athletes avoiding each other.
      You don't get Tennis players or Soccer teams avoiding each other.

      I have no problem with Floyd's resume to date BUT if he retires without facing some of these challengers he will only leave doubts.
      Something that All time Greats of the past just didn't do.

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      • Crazylegs77
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        #4
        Interesting how you downplay Cotto and Kermits wins.

        From an unbiased viewpoint Cotto has the best resume.

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          Who Said You Have To Be A Champion, Or Have A Title To Be A Good Fighter? Resume Wise. I'm Not Trying To Bash Mayweather But Look Who's He Fought Lately. Gatti, Over The Hill, Zab, Could'nt Knock Him Out Like Cotto Did, Baldomir, Do I Really Need Say Anything About Him, De La Hoya, Over The Hill. But Hatton, That Was A Good Showing From Mayweather That's For Damn Sure. Just Don't Downplay Other Champions In The Division If Mayweather Ain't Fought Them Yet. You Sound Like Their Accomplishments Don't Mean ****, When In Reality They Do, And Are The Reasons Mayweather Should Fight Them To Unify And Become Undisputed, Or Try At The Very Least.

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          • IronFistKilla
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            #6
            Originally posted by crazylegs77
            Interesting how you downplay Cotto and Kermits wins.

            From an unbiased viewpoint Cotto has the best resume.
            I think you guys are missing the point. EVERYBODY"S resume at 147 is weak!
            Crazylegs77, you're an idiot. Imagine if Floyd fought a guy coming off 2 losses, 1 year suspension, and 1rd no contest. Imagine how the media and fans would rip him....well that's what Cotto did..and guess what?..it was still a step up in competion!! lol.

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            • Crazylegs77
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              #7
              Originally posted by IronFistKilla
              I think you guys are missing the point. EVERYBODY"S resume at 147 is weak!
              Crazylegs77, you're an idiot. Imagine if Floyd fought a guy coming off 2 losses, 1 year suspension, and 1rd no contest. Imagine how the media and fans would rip him....well that's what Cotto did..and guess what?..it was still a step up in competion!! lol.
              Mayweather fought Gatti for god sakes!

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                #8
                I agree with crazylegs u seem a bit biased, Judah claimed he was in top shape prior and after the Cotto fight, yet you make the Judah that fought Mayweather out to be more impressive. That Judah came off an embarassing loss to Baldomir when he fought MM, Judah only retained that title because Baldomir refused to pay the sanctioning fee.

                Cotto has the best resume at WW imo. He beat Quintana who was supposed to go through him, Cotto being the smaller man. People forget that Quintana was an established fighter holding a recent win of Joel Julio, one of the most dangerous punchers still at WW/LMW. Mayweather's great but Baldomir is nowhere near the level of contender, I don't discredit his win over Judah but Judah arguably gave him his hardest fight to date (next to Castillo I). Urkal was Cotto's manditory, I don't see any shame in fighting a manditory no matter how bad they are

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                • moofo
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by IronFistKilla
                  I think you guys are missing the point. EVERYBODY"S resume at 147 is weak!
                  Crazylegs77, you're an idiot. Imagine if Floyd fought a guy coming off 2 losses, 1 year suspension, and 1rd no contest. Imagine how the media and fans would rip him....well that's what Cotto did..and guess what?..it was still a step up in competion!! lol.
                  Do you believe that Cotto is NOT a legitimate Contender to fight for Floyds Crown?
                  If he isn't a legit contender then who IS?
                  I personally would like to see Floyd fight Cotto & Williams at least before hanging them up.
                  And in my opinion I think Cotto & Williams would be Harder tests than Zab Judah , Baldomir or Hatton.
                  Perhaps even Oscar De la Hoya as they aint going to get tired.

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                  • IronFistKilla
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by pelonxsoldier28
                    Who Said You Have To Be A Champion, Or Have A Title To Be A Good Fighter? Resume Wise. I'm Not Trying To Bash Mayweather But Look Who's He Fought Lately. Gatti, Over The Hill, Zab, Could'nt Knock Him Out Like Cotto Did, Baldomir, Do I Really Need Say Anything About Him, De La Hoya, Over The Hill. But Hatton, That Was A Good Showing From Mayweather That's For Damn Sure. Just Don't Downplay Other Champions In The Division If Mayweather Ain't Fought Them Yet. You Sound Like Their Accomplishments Don't Mean ****, When In Reality They Do, And Are The Reasons Mayweather Should Fight Them To Unify And Become Undisputed, Or Try At The Very Least.
                    You see, having a belt and championship is an accomplishment and the goal of every fighter in the sport. It brings status, respect, fame,and money. No, having a belt doesn't mean you're a great fighter, nor does being beltless mean you suck, but it is a good indicator especially if you never earn one. If Zab was over the hill for Money May, then what the F*** was he for Cotto??? Let look at connect percentage. Judah landed on 18% on Mayweather. Judah put Cotto on ***** street twice. Knock Baldomir all you want but he was on a 9yr winning streak and got an iron chin. Let's keep the topic to welterweight fights. Nobody has a stellar resume at welter.

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