Pryor - Mayweather

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Pryor would of dominated Mayweather.

You heard it here first.

your dreaming. pryor couldn't be mayweather's sparring partner. the only great fighter pryor ever fought was arguello.

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I can't really make up my mind about who would win this fight. Floyd hasn't seen a guy that can pressure you like Pryor. Pryor was a beast who had speed, stamina, power and a chin to take Mayweather's shots.

Then again Pryor had a bad habit of keeping his hands low thus letting Mayweather counter him.

Pryor has more chance of KOing Mayweather than the other way round though I don't see one happening.

In a 15 round fight I'll go with Pryor by SD, 12 round fight Mayweather by SD.

everyone said the same things about hatton...

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i could see why people are claiming floyd would knock pryor down or out because he did leave himself open a lot and floyd is a master counterpuncher, and can counterpunch from pretty much any angle, but i don't see him knocking pryor out period, but he could knock him down mainly because a fighter is most vulnerable to being knocked down by a punch he doesn't see, and floyd is great at hitting fighters from angles where they cannot see it, but i don't see him knocking pryor out at all. pryor is too solid for that but i could see him knocking floyd down also because he hit hard as hell but again, i don't see him knocking floyd out, especially at 140 where mayweather was solid at also. this is a good fight imo, but i'd give it to floyd because i feel 140 was his prime weight class where he showed speed and power very effectively and he was a killer at this weight. he sat down on his punches more and threw hard, solid combinations, just like aaron but the thing that floyd had over aaron was better footwork, more complex angles, and a better defense to go along with his mindset and upperbody movement. floyd was just too complex for aaron imo. i see floyd getting a ud over aaron. aaron has more power and throws more but he'd be countered and at 140, floyd hit hard as **** also, so i see him beating pryor at 140.

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i could see why people are claiming floyd would knock pryor down or out because he did leave himself open a lot and floyd is a master counterpuncher, and can counterpunch from pretty much any angle, but i don't see him knocking pryor out period, but he could knock him down mainly because a fighter is most vulnerable to being knocked down by a punch he doesn't see, and floyd is great at hitting fighters from angles where they cannot see it, but i don't see him knocking pryor out at all. pryor is too solid for that but i could see him knocking floyd down also because he hit hard as hell but again, i don't see him knocking floyd out, especially at 140 where mayweather was solid at also. this is a good fight imo, but i'd give it to floyd because i feel 140 was his prime weight class where he showed speed and power very effectively and he was a killer at this weight. he sat down on his punches more and threw hard, solid combinations, just like aaron but the thing that floyd had over aaron was better footwork, more complex angles, and a better defense to go along with his mindset and upperbody movement. floyd was just too complex for aaron imo. i see floyd getting a ud over aaron. aaron has more power and throws more but he'd be countered and at 140, floyd hit hard as **** also, so i see him beating pryor at 140.

I keep going back and forth on that very relevant detail.

Pryor side movement up close is quite amazing, and provides him with the closest thing he has to a defense. Can Mayweather master that? I dont know. Would Mayweather be able to impose his will? I dont know.

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1) The bold is simply false. Mayweather had the better level of opposition through his career (obviously not at 140).

2) Mayweather started having a low punch output at 147. Pryor was fighting at 140 in the day of the same day weigh in, which means 135 nowadays. That version of Mayweather does not have a low punch output.

3) I wholeheartedly agree

Yes, I see what you mean and agree in a way but I didn't really articulate it correctly. He has only fought one good HOF fighter in DLH and whether he was smaller or not, DLH was ****e by then. The rest are good but they are just that...good. They were good champions who were good at the time but on an all time level were nothing in comparison to Cervantes and Arguello. I'm not trying to say Mayweather hasn't fought good fighters because he has, just not on the level Pryor has. He has fought more consistently good fighters and champions, there is no dispute in that at all. He just hasn't fought anyone even close to as good as Pryor, Arguello or Cervantes. I don't think there is any dis*****g that either. So, in a way I agree but also disagree lol.

Yeah, but he never really had that high a punch output even in his early days. I'm sure you would've seen most of those early fights and apart from a few like Chavez, N'Dou, Corley etc he didn't really throw that much. Thats understandable though because he's a counter puncher and while he did throw more than he does now of course, it still wasn't a very high rate. He's just not a high rate, volume fighter. It's not his style.

I don't think anyone could disagree on the last point (it would be an aberration and truly insane!!!). I really could see it going either way but seeing a lot of Pryors fights and basically every single one of Floyds I could see how Pryor might pull it off. Just a point of view and if I think about it a great deal I'm sure I could see the same conclusion for Floyd. Thats the only thing that sucks for Floyd. He doesn't have really great fighting competition to make truly great all time fights. It sucks.

[BennyST]

everyone said the same things about hatton...

If you're comparing the two in any way, shape or form you are a douche and don't belong here Hatton was never going to beat Floyd and the only people that said he would were Hatton lovers. Anyone with any knowledge of boxing knew it was a given that Floyd was going to win that fight

i could see why people are claiming floyd would knock pryor down or out because he did leave himself open a lot and floyd is a master counterpuncher, and can counterpunch from pretty much any angle, but i don't see him knocking pryor out period, but he could knock him down mainly because a fighter is most vulnerable to being knocked down by a punch he doesn't see, and floyd is great at hitting fighters from angles where they cannot see it, but i don't see him knocking pryor out at all. pryor is too solid for that but i could see him knocking floyd down also because he hit hard as hell but again, i don't see him knocking floyd out, especially at 140 where mayweather was solid at also. this is a good fight imo, but i'd give it to floyd because i feel 140 was his prime weight class where he showed speed and power very effectively and he was a killer at this weight. he sat down on his punches more and threw hard, solid combinations, just like aaron but the thing that floyd had over aaron was better footwork, more complex angles, and a better defense to go along with his mindset and upperbody movement. floyd was just too complex for aaron imo. i see floyd getting a ud over aaron. aaron has more power and throws more but he'd be countered and at 140, floyd hit hard as **** also, so i see him beating pryor at 140.

Yes, absolutely. I could see the same thing happening. Floyd would never KO him, I don't see why anyone with knowledge of Pryor would say that. Not a chance. He might put him down early on a flash by a punch that Pryor didn't see coming but would never actually hurt him.

I could see what you say as a definite possibility. Although I still think too many people underestimate Pryor (not saying this to you pbftxrs). He didn't have that bad a defense,he was rarely hit flush and to lump him in with your typical pressure fighters, like those Floyd has faced, is insane in the extreme. What made Pryor so amazing was he was fast as hell, could actually box well, had power and could punch non stop all night long like a freakin' six year old on a red cordial sugar bender! To say Floyd has seen it all before is oh so very wrong....then again, I don't think Pryor had seen anything like Floyd...though Arguello and Cervantes were closer than what Floyd faced (hatton, castillo, corales even DLH) and that is what I basing my probable conclusion off apart from having seen most of their fights.

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I keep going back and forth on that very relevant detail.

Pryor side movement up close is quite amazing, and provides him with the closest thing he has to a defense. Can Mayweather master that? I dont know. Would Mayweather be able to impose his will? I dont know.

yes it was, and i forgot to mention that, thanks for reminding me, it was good up close, but floyd has him on upperbody movment which is crucial in beating a figher like pryor, and floyd for that matter, floyd's upperbody movement and placement imo wold be a little too much for pryor, which is what i meant by complex, because floyd can move at any angle to avoid being hit, which he has done so many times, his upperbody movement is not mentioned as much as it should be imo. pryor had amazing side movment and was actually fast with it, just not as fast and angular(i know this is a weird term i used, forgive me) than floyd was at 140, which imo was floyd's prime weight as far as overall skillset and physical attributes. this is what i meant as complex, aaron was a ****ing monster, but floyd is just too methodical a fighter for him imo, but hey, we'll never know really i guess. good fight either way.

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If you're comparing the two in any way, shape or form you are a douche and don't belong here Hatton was never going to beat Floyd and the only people that said he would were Hatton lovers. Anyone with any knowledge of boxing knew it was a given that Floyd was going to win that fight



Yes, absolutely. I could see the same thing happening. Floyd would never KO him, I don't see why anyone with knowledge of Pryor would say that. Not a chance. He might put him down early on a flash by a punch that Pryor didn't see coming but would never actually hurt him.

I could see what you say as a definite possibility. Although I still think too many people underestimate Pryor (not saying this to you pbftxrs). He didn't have that bad a defense,he was rarely hit flush and to lump him in with your typical pressure fighters, like those Floyd has faced, is insane in the extreme. What made Pryor so amazing was he was fast as hell, could actually box well, had power and could punch non stop all night long like a freakin' six year old on a red cordial sugar bender! To say Floyd has seen it all before is oh so very wrong....then again, I don't think Pryor had seen anything like Floyd...though Arguello and Cervantes were closer than what Floyd faced (hatton, castillo, corales even DLH) and that is what I basing my probable conclusion off apart from having seen most of their fights.

i respect your argument and you make good points to say the least. yes, pryor could box well, yes, he was fast as hell with great power at 140, this i do agree with wholeheartedely, if you look at it this way, you'd have to be a fool to say he doesn't have what it takes to defeat floyd, but the thing that sets floyd apart from pryor is how complex floyd was with his movement inlcuding different speeds going backwards and fowards, fighting off of the ropes, inside fighting, like him staying in the pocket and avoiding punches, he was imo much more complex than pryor at 140 even though he only had three fights, he showed me all of this in just three fights, and it really wasn't hard seeing how gatti didn't even really stand a chance, and stood there and floyd opened fire on him from every angle out there, hell, i think floyd made up some angles himself while hitting gatti, but nonetheless, what floyd showed me at this weight class is just how methodical he is and can be at any pace, which is what pryor never really showed me. pryor was a killer, no dout, nut floyd was a wizard, imo a much smarter fighter and although pryor was elusive, floyd was just more complex and posied with his offensive/defensive prowess. i mean, i still want to see this fight to this day, but floyd imo would defeat pryor by ud in a 12 round or 15 round fight, floyd is non-traditional throwback fighter imo that could go 15 rounds, his stamina is that great.

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Yes, I see what you mean and agree in a way but I didn't really articulate it correctly. He has only fought one good HOF fighter in DLH and whether he was smaller or not, DLH was ****e by then. The rest are good but they are just that...good. They were good champions who were good at the time but on an all time level were nothing in comparison to Cervantes and Arguello. I'm not trying to say Mayweather hasn't fought good fighters because he has, just not on the level Pryor has. He has fought more consistently good fighters and champions, there is no dispute in that at all. He just hasn't fought anyone even close to as good as Pryor, Arguello or Cervantes. I don't think there is any dis*****g that either. So, in a way I agree but also disagree lol.

Yeah, but he never really had that high a punch output even in his early days. I'm sure you would've seen most of those early fights and apart from a few like Chavez, N'Dou, Corley etc he didn't really throw that much. Thats understandable though because he's a counter puncher and while he did throw more than he does now of course, it still wasn't a very high rate. He's just not a high rate, volume fighter. It's not his style.

I don't think anyone could disagree on the last point (it would be an aberration and truly insane!!!). I really could see it going either way but seeing a lot of Pryors fights and basically every single one of Floyds I could see how Pryor might pull it off. Just a point of view and if I think about it a great deal I'm sure I could see the same conclusion for Floyd. Thats the only thing that sucks for Floyd. He doesn't have really great fighting competition to make truly great all time fights. It sucks.

Cervantes was at the tail end of his career, and in general I don't see why he should be rated any higher than say Genaro Hernandez. And Cervantes was more shot than Oscar or Chicanito were at the point in which they fought Pryor/Mayweather.


Arguello is an all time great, no doubt about that, but it's not his 140 version
that made him what he is. Pryor was a natural thick 140er, Arguello was at that weight after 80 pro fights age 30, and at his 4th weight class. With his best being at 130.

When you can start throwing names like Hatton, Castillo, Corrales, De La Hoya, Hernadez (both), Jesus Chavez, Judah you paint a picture of opposition which is not exactly De La Hoyas' or Holyfield's record but is surely deeper than Pryor's.

The thing with Mayweather punch output is that he adapts that to his opponent, unless he is severely outsized, in which case he just shuts down his opponents (as in prevents them from throwing). Quite obviously he would never match The Hawk's workrate, but he would not need to. When you land 50% of your power shots, you dont need to throw as many as your opponent, who's landing 20%.

As I was discussing with pbftrx Pryor's side movement and the ability of Mayweather to figure it out, are possibly the main determinant in the outcome of the fight IMO. Volume working for Pryor and accuracy working for Mayweather are pretty much a given.

Finally someone mentioned stamina. I dont think that's relevant at all: Mayweather's conditioning can take him to 15 rounds easily, and (naturally) the thought of Pryor's gassing out is laughable.

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Floyd should have been a trak starr ," Hit and run floyd " for some one that talks so much this guy dosent want to fight. what a biatch! I heard that 50 cent ******ed floyed. and could some one teach Rodger how to talk? this guy sounds like a freaking Idot