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  • HeartAttack
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    #11
    Originally posted by Mike Tyson77
    LOL!!! No one can beat Wlad right now!
    Really, are you sure? Like Louis was unstopable, like Liston couldn't possibly lose to a kid, Like Ali was going to embarrass Frazier in their first fight, like no one alive could defeat the clubbing Foreman, just like a light heavyweight like Spinks couldn't get past the jab of the undeafeated Holmes, like Douglas was nothing more than a tune-up for Tyson. Just like McCall was a stepping-stone for a Lewis/Tyson megafight, just like there was no way Tyson could lose to Holyfield. Do I need to keep going. Even when certain guys seem unbeatable, obviously it happens. Wlad has lost before, and can again; and will if he fights Chagaev. So I'm glad you are so confident in Wlad, but everyone is beatable.

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    • beez721
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      #12
      Originally posted by orltroy
      Really, are you sure? Like Louis was unstopable, like Liston couldn't possibly lose to a kid, Like Ali was going to embarrass Frazier in their first fight, like no one alive could defeat the clubbing Foreman, just like a light heavyweight like Spinks couldn't get past the jab of the undeafeated Holmes, like Douglas was nothing more than a tune-up for Tyson. Just like McCall was a stepping-stone for a Lewis/Tyson megafight, just like there was no way Tyson could lose to Holyfield. Do I need to keep going. Even when certain guys seem unbeatable, obviously it happens. Wlad has lost before, and can again; and will if he fights Chagaev. So I'm glad you are so confident in Wlad, but everyone is beatable.
      obviously wlad isnt unbeatable but he's going to be very difficult to beat with his more cautious style. I havent seen anything from chageav that suggests he beats wlad. in fact I think sultan has as much a chance as scoring the upset. chageav and sultan dont have the same sneaky type power of a corrie sanders and wlad isnt going to load up on his right hands like he did in the sanders fight which made him an easy target for that straight left hand

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      • Mike Tyson77
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        #13
        Originally posted by orltroy
        Really, are you sure? Like Louis was unstopable, like Liston couldn't possibly lose to a kid, Like Ali was going to embarrass Frazier in their first fight, like no one alive could defeat the clubbing Foreman, just like a light heavyweight like Spinks couldn't get past the jab of the undeafeated Holmes, like Douglas was nothing more than a tune-up for Tyson. Just like McCall was a stepping-stone for a Lewis/Tyson megafight, just like there was no way Tyson could lose to Holyfield. Do I need to keep going. Even when certain guys seem unbeatable, obviously it happens. Wlad has lost before, and can again; and will if he fights Chagaev. So I'm glad you are so confident in Wlad, but everyone is beatable.

        Wlad will turn him into a bloody mess. Wlad is too powerful right now. Im scared that Wlad could hurt someone real bad........

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        • chairmanchris90
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          #14
          Originally posted by Mike Tyson77
          LOL!!! No one can beat Wlad right now!
          ummm...Sam Peter knocked him down three times, Wlads chin is still soft as butter, anyone with solid boxing technique (something Peter Lacked) and a strong punch would KO Wlad just ask Corrie Sanders

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          • Mike Tyson77
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            #15
            Originally posted by chairmanchris90
            ummm...Sam Peter knocked him down three times, Wlads chin is still soft as butter, anyone with solid boxing technique (something Peter Lacked) and a strong punch would KO Wlad just ask Corrie Sanders

            ummm...Sam Peter looked like his legs turned into jelly when Wlad nailed him in the 12th. And 2 of those KD's where hits behinde the head.


            Wlad= next undisputed HW Champ.

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            • Jim Jeffries
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              #16
              Originally posted by chairmanchris90
              ummm...Sam Peter knocked him down three times, Wlads chin is still soft as butter, anyone with solid boxing technique (something Peter Lacked) and a strong punch would KO Wlad just ask Corrie Sanders
              Did you honestly see the Peter fight? Wrestling someone and then rabbit punching them in the back of the head is not a legitimate knockdown. Funny how no one thinks Lennox Lewis' chin was "soft as butter" after being knocked out by McCall and Rahman. Both Wlad and Lennox adjusted the way they fought to compensate for less than granite chins. Everyone is beatable, but I won't bet any money against Wlad anytime soon.

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              • HeartAttack
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                #17
                Originally posted by beez721
                obviously wlad isnt unbeatable but he's going to be very difficult to beat with his more cautious style. I havent seen anything from chageav that suggests he beats wlad. in fact I think sultan has as much a chance as scoring the upset. chageav and sultan dont have the same sneaky type power of a corrie sanders and wlad isnt going to load up on his right hands like he did in the sanders fight which made him an easy target for that straight left hand
                your right, Chagaev doesn't have the sneaky power that Sanders does. He hits a hell of a lot harder. Lets see about Sanders' awesome power; he went toe to toe with notable steel-chinned pugilist Hasim Rahman. Corrie can hit, but isn't a power-house. As for Chagaev, I have seen him in the gym and talked to several fighters who have sparred him at one time or another and the consesus is that they have NEVER been hit harder in their lives. Sure Chagaev hasn't laid out his recent opponents, but only one man has KO'd Ruiz (which as we all know was the highlight of his career, thank you Tua) Vladimir Virchis has a chin that had no problems eating Vitali's punches is the amatuers and sparring (due to his lack of defense) and Valuev, really do I need to explain his massive cranium? as for Chagaev's chin, Virchis is quite possibly the hardest punching heavyweight since Ernie Shavers (yes I include Tyson and Lewis in that group of guys who hit weaker than Virchis). even Vitali has stated that Virchis is the guy who hit him the hardest. This is about Virchis is his form is so bad he doesn't land his money punch as often, much like Shavers. Ok, my bad, back on point; Chagaev who is faster than Sanders and Wlad and has great power and wonderful counters, can starch Wlad or keep him off balance and out of rhythm. Chagaev's weakness is infighting, as is Wlad's, so therefore a wash (but thats why I think Povetkin beats Chagaev). Ibragimov will be kept at a distance against Wlad, don't really see him getting in. I have the utmost respect for Jeff and Chill and their ability to gameplan a fight, but I don't think Ibragimov can excute the perfect gameplan against Wlad. Chagaev with his boxing ability, power, chin and speed can beat Wlad.

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                • kayjay
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                  #18
                  I agree with ortlroy, though I think Wlad has a better chance of overcoming the advatages Chagaev MAY have over him

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                  • Mike Tyson77
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by orltroy
                    Virchis is quite possibly the hardest punching heavyweight since Ernie Shavers (yes I include Tyson and Lewis in that group of guys who hit weaker than Virchis). Wlad. Chagaev with his boxing ability, power, chin and speed can beat Wlad.
                    Youre on some good crack. Or maby really drunk.

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                    • chairmanchris90
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Mike Tyson77
                      ummm...Sam Peter looked like his legs turned into jelly when Wlad nailed him in the 12th. And 2 of those KD's where hits behinde the head.


                      Wlad= next undisputed HW Champ.
                      But he didn't go down did he, and It doesn't matter unless the referee calls the foul, Peter had him hurt, and Peter was in horrible shape for that fight, imagine if a fit fighter with Peter's power fought him, itd be lights out for Wlad, who still doesn't have a chin

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