Does Pavlik Make Your Top 10 P4P List?

[THe TRiNiTY]

yes, he ko'd jean-marc mormeck. he's earned this spot.

Okay.. So, he KO'd someone who wasn't top 10, possibly not even top 20 p4p. And that gets him in the top 10, p4p?

[-Swizzy-]

1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Antonio Margarito
3. Golden Johnson
4. Joshua Clottey
5. Santa Cruz
6. David Haye
7. Antonio Tarver
8. Antonio Margarito Again (Since he is the most feared man)
9. Chris John
10. Cory Spinks

I have you a bad k for this list. I didn't see that you remade the list.

[kadyo's]

No. I never said he wouldn't. I asked why people think Pavlik had such an easy time. He didn't. I made a bet on the fight, but it was more for the hell of it. I am not saying Pavlik will lose, I'm just using the same criteria I do for all fights. Taylor does have the tools to beat Pavlik. That's all.

Got it. He got almost ko'ed in the second round but was ablte to recover and ko'ed bad intention later. That for me is his greatest achievement which is just a step lower that what chico achieved against castillo which I think is the greatest comeback of all time bar mouthpiece spitting lol.

[kadyo's]

I have you a bad k for this list. I didn't see that you remade the list.

No wonder your karma bar is RED

[THe TRiNiTY]

Got it. He got almost ko'ed in the second round but was ablte to recover and ko'ed bad intention later. That for me is his greatest achievement which is just a step lower that what chico achieved against castillo which I think is the greatest comeback of all time bar mouthpiece spitting lol.

Lol.. I thought the slight-cheating made it cooler. Lol.

[kadyo's]

Lol.. I thought the slight-cheating made it cooler. Lol.

LOL I have to agree. MAY HIS SOUL REST IN PEACE. Chico was one koo doo.

[-Swizzy-]

Okay.. So, he KO'd someone who wasn't top 10, possibly not even top 20 p4p. And that gets him in the top 10, p4p?

haye is a cruserweight(natural heavyweight) and he has the hand speed and body movement of a jr.middleweight and the power of a heavyweight. he is the #1 cruserweight right now, so why is it such a stretch for him to be on this list? alot of the ppl on alot of ppl's p4p lists haven't beaten top10 p4p fighters.

[Njord777]

Your 5-10 is absolutely horrible.

I hate to talk trash but I have to agree. The bottom half of that list it just...mucked up. Cotto after Pavlik? Sure, Kelly beat Jermain Taylor. Who...doesn't even belong on a top ten list for most of us...so...I mean.... Among other problems that I saw that stuck out the most to me.

[-Swizzy-]

No wonder your karma bar is RED

who cares what my k is. its imaginery. I have opinions, and if everyone doesn't agree, good, that doesn't really matter.

[THe TRiNiTY]

haye is a cruserweight(natural heavyweight) and he has the hand speed and body movement of a jr.middleweight and the power of a heavyweight. he is the #1 cruserweight right now, so why is it such a stretch for him to be on this list? alot of the ppl on alot of ppl's p4p lists haven't beaten top10 p4p fighters.

True. Doesn't mean their list is any good either. I can see you like the guy. But wouldn't it make it cooler for you to put him on the list when he ACTUALLY deserves it? Skill alone or potential alone don't make up for actual accomplishments. You gotta do it, not be able to do it.

He has no BIG wins other than against a relatively smaller guy, has a WORLD championship, I'll give him that. Other than that, his only other big step up, he lost due to under-training. He's still has less than 20 fights, so has a lot of unanswered questions. I just don't think it's very easy to argue for him to be on the list. That's all.