Fighters becoming “Unshot”

**Silencers** · 12-26-2007, 01:17 PM

There's no way to become 'unshot'. Once your reflexes, legs, speed go you won't get it back no matter how hard you train.

**TopDawg** · 12-26-2007, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by silencers98

There's no way to become 'unshot'. Once your reflexes, legs, speed go you won't get it back no matter how hard you train.

Exactly...

**Pugilistic™** · 12-26-2007, 01:21 PM

no there is no turning back. once shot, always shot

**Sweet Pete** · 12-26-2007, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by BostonGuy

Fighters frequently are labeled as being ‘shot.' Currently, I’ve heard Jose Luis Castillo, Eric Morrales, Fernando Vargas, and of course Evander Holyfield, amongst others, be labeled as ‘being shot.’ I’ve also heard Jeff Lacy’s name affixed to that phrase as well…

Although I’m sure there are varying degrees of ‘being shot,’ the phrase generally, to me, means that a fighter has lost his reflexes, his timing is off, his quickness or speed is gone, and his chin may be suspect…

So, all this leads to my question: Once a fighter has become ‘shot’ can he ever reverse this or become, for lack of a better word, ‘unshot?’ Will any amount of training, conditioning or hiatus from the ring, lessen or alleviate altogether, the ‘shotness?’ Or; once a figher becomes ‘shot’ he will remain that way forever?

Lacy is not shot, he just was never that good.

Shot refers to your physical shape more than anything. Though a lot of times a large part of it is mental, as a lot of guys have aged quicker and primed out quicker than others.

There have been instances of a shot fighter showing flashes of former brilliance, but only flashes. Roy Jones in the 5th round of the 3rd fight against Tarver being an example.

**K-Nan** · 12-26-2007, 01:27 PM

I think people sometimes confuse bad performances or simply lsing with being 'shot'.

I remember the people talking about Shane Mosely after he lost the 2nd fight to Wright (despite making it close). Just because you're maybe over 30 and you lose a fight doensn't mean you're shot.

**Run** · 12-26-2007, 01:28 PM

Naa.

Because if you look back at even the most spectacular cases (Foreman winning the HW Title at 45) you can keep it in perspective by stating the division was weak and Moorer wasn't that great of a HW. It's just true.

Foreman showed he was shot by being beat up by Axel Schulz and somehow winning the decision when there's no way he won the fight.

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**Derranged_** · 12-26-2007, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Sweet Pete

Lacy is not shot, he just was never that good.

Shot refers to your physical shape more than anything. Though a lot of times a large part of it is mental, as a lot of guys have aged quicker and primed out quicker than others.

There have been instances of a shot fighter showing flashes of former brilliance, but only flashes. Roy Jones in the 5th round of the 3rd fight against Tarver being an example.

I don't necessarily think Lacy's 'shot' but I've heard him called that on this forum. However, I don't think he is the same boxer that he was before Calzaghe...

**Jim Jeffries** · 12-26-2007, 01:32 PM

DLH was pretty much written off as shot until the Mayorga fight. A lot of people said Ali was shot after he lost to Frazier, causing him to be a pretty big dog against Foreman. Quite a few people said Hopkins was shot after his second loss in a row to Taylor. Wlad was written off as finished after his third KO loss.

**-Hyperion-** · 12-26-2007, 01:58 PM

great fighters can win ifghts even when shot....like foreman, morales in his last fight...a testament to how good they once were...

Fighters becoming “Unshot”