Muhammad Ali vs Tommy Hearns?

[slicksouthpaw16]

Dawson is the better pure boxer and is bigger than Roy
What is your point? Johnson was never a top or elite fighter before he faced an old Roy, but he beat him by applying that same type of pressure. A prime Roy Jones was quite a bit different, as shown in that video.

Johnson has win over prime Tarver and Clinton Woods. id say hes elite.

Hopkins didn't bring hounding pressure, he brought the smart, calculated pressure you're talking about, and still got throughly outboxed. A guy with the style of Johnson would've gotten taken out just like a Brannon or a Merqui Sosa.

Hopkins was not attacking Roy like a normal pressure fighter would because it is out of his character to do it. Hopkins is more of a boxer himself. thats why Roy out boxed him easily because Hopkins at times would go back to his old ways and try to box with Roy.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Lol...I'm a fan of Chad Dawson but I'm talking about a Prime Roy, who was Quicker, Stronger and a better boxer than Dawson.

Dawson is the future but Roy was the better fighter.

again, Dawson has the better pure boxing skills and is bigger than Roy.

[Sweet Pete]

Johnson has win over prime Tarver and Clinton Woods. id say hes elite.

Johnson has a win over the same overrated Tarver who beat the same old Roy Jones that Johnson beat. Clinton Woods is nowhere near an elite fighter. A good one? Yes. An elite one? No. Also, Woods was the only top win he had before he faced Jones, there is nothing even close to elite about that. Especially considering he went 8-8-2 after losing to Hopkins.
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Hopkins was not attacking Roy like a normal pressure fighter would because it is out of his character to do it. Hopkins is more of a boxer himself. thats why Roy out boxed him easily because Hopkins at times would go back to his old ways and try to box with Roy.

As Parody already said, at that early stage of Hopkins's career, he was more of a pressure fighter, and even at this stage and any stage of his career, Hopkins has shown very good inside skills and effective aggression. A lot better than someone like Glenn Johnson, that's for sure.

[Sweet Pete]

again, Dawson has the better pure boxing skills and is bigger than Roy.

He may be a bit bigger, but nowhere near the boxing skills and abilities of a prime Jones. You act like speed, athleticism, power, and talent don't play into a fight at all, which is so off it's laughable, especially considering you're one who believes Roy was not that good a technical boxer.

[slicksouthpaw16]

I don't think I've ever agreed with slicksouthpaw16 on anything. I agree his arguments are full of twisting of words and he's very close minded. Plus you seem to think that replying to everything makes you 'win arguments' just because you're willing to type a lot? Well that's just denying a lost argument. I like you because you don't always go into flame wars(Although I don't know why I had you on the edge when you had to keep posting that 'owned' icon: out of character) but please, stop thinking that you have more knowledge on Boxing than everybody and you gotta stop being so biased/close minded.

you are stuck in your own opinion and is not open to others. when i try to have you see it my way, you always jump on the defensive and act like its a competition. its not like that, at least try to understand what i have to say first instead of just saying that im wrong all the time. other than that, you are a good poster with good knowledge. so is Sweet Pete. We just never agree..lol

[sterling]

sweet pete u talk to much bro Ali wud hurt hearns

[Sweet Pete]

sweet pete u talk to much bro Ali wud hurt hearns

LOL, perhaps you missed the point of the thread.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Johnson has a win over the same overrated Tarver who beat the same old Roy Jones that Johnson beat. Clinton Woods is nowhere near an elite fighter. A good one? Yes. An elite one? No. Also, Woods was the only top win he had before he faced Jones, there is nothing even close to elite about that. Especially considering he went 8-8-2 after losing to Hopkins.

Clinton woods is the current IBF champion right now. and Tarver is already a canidate to be in the hall of fame in the future. hes a 4 time light heavyweight champ.



that was the early stage of his career when he was not that good. when he started to box and get his ora down, thats when he became middleweight champ and dominating the division. he was still green when he fought Roy.

[Sweet Pete]

Clinton woods is the current IBF champion right now. and Tarver is already a canidate to be in the hall of fame in the future. hes a 4 time light heavyweight champ.

Tarver is no hall of famer, that is for sure. He is remembered for beating an old Jones and beating the other guy who beat old Jones. Not that impressive. Johnson and Tarver live off victories over an old Jones and each other.

As I said, Woods is a good fighter, just not elite, he is nowhere near the best LHW in the world, unless you're gonna say he's better than Dawson in order to win this argument. Which, knowing you, you probably will.

that was the early stage of his career when he was not that good. when he started to box and get his ora down, thats when he became middleweight champ and dominating the division. he was still green when he fought Roy.

He was very good, a lot better than Glenn Johnson. It was not a prime Hopkins, but that is not my point. My point is he was an effective pressure fighter at that stage, and a better fighter than Glenn Johnson. Jones dealt very well with pressure in his prime, it's when he was old and past his best, losing his reflexes and timing, that he was unable to not only deal with pressure, but also ordinary fighters like Tarver who he would've destroyed in his prime.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Tarver is no hall of famer, that is for sure. He is remembered for beating an old Jones and beating the other guy who beat old Jones. Not that impressive. Johnson and Tarver live off victories over an old Jones and each other.

the anouncer anounced him as a future hall of famer when he fought Elvir Mirique on showtime. the reason why he is in the hall of fame is because he is a 4 time light heavyweight champion.

As I said, Woods is a good fighter, just not elite, he is nowhere near the best LHW in the world, unless you're gonna say he's better than Dawson in order to win this argument. Which, knowing you, you probably will.

Nah Dawson would crush Woods..lol. again, woods is the IBF champion. can you get any more elite?

He was very good, a lot better than Glenn Johnson. It was not a prime Hopkins, but that is not my point. My point is he was an effective pressure fighter at that stage, and a better fighter than Glenn Johnson. Jones dealt very well with pressure in his prime, it's when he was old and past his best, losing his reflexes and timing, that he was unable to not only deal with pressure, but also ordinary fighters like Tarver who he would've destroyed in his prime.

He was good but not elite back then. i doubt that the early Hopkins would be as dominate as prime Hopkins. i have never seen Roy deal with hard pressure in his prime against an elite fighter who was naturally a pressure fighter.