is Mayweather the greatest of all-time?

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  • -Swizzy-
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    #21
    Originally posted by gavinz1970
    You do realize 5 of those losses were after the age of 44, and 10 of them were after the age of 40, and that the man fought 198 fights?
    he lost to turpin at 30 years old and maxim at 31.

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    • Jim Jeffries
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      #22
      Originally posted by kswizzy99
      he lost to turpin at 30 years old and maxim at 31.
      In his 132nd professional fight, in which he had only one loss (the previously mentioned LaMotta, who he would beat the next 5 times they faced.)

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      • HeartAttack
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        #23
        Robinson fought 200 fights over 25 years from lightweight to middleweight (even though at times he weighed in at today's supermiddleweight limit). He fought and defeated a who's who over that time. He fought the greatest of his era and Hall of Famers multiple times. There was no question as to his heart and desire to be the best, not the wealthiest, but the best. (given though that Robinson was a shrewd negotiator, and I do feel that Mayweather deserves the money he gets). Mayweather has beaten future HOF'er Oscar De La Hoya (past his prime if we must be picky). Possible future HOF'er in Diego Corrales (I wouldn't vote Corrales, but he will probably get in because of his heart). And possible future of HOF'er Ricky Hatton (If Hatton sports some more quality wins thatn just Kostya Tsyzu). Meanwhile, Robinson beat Fritzie Zivic, Carl Olson, randy Turpin, Kid Gavilan, Jake LaMotta, Tommy Bell, Gene Fullmer, Rocky Graziano, and several others I can't name off the top of my head. I don't think he beat Maxim, in fact I;m going to say he never avenged that loss. Granted he succumb to the heat, but Maxim didn't so that shouldn't matter. Robinson beat some of the greatest that ever were, and fought them several times. I would like to see a Robinson/Mayweather match. Hell, I would like to see Mayweather in a lot of fights with the past greats, but that won't happen. I do want to see Mayweather fight ALL the best fighters near his weight before he retires, because thats exactly what the old timers did.

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        • BmoreBrawler
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          #24
          Originally posted by kswizzy99
          before I make the argument, I would just like to say that I am a mayweather hater turned fan.
          Mayweather is the complete package. He has speed, head movement, glove defense, foot work, intelligence, ring generalship and you can't really say he is a power fighter but, you can say he has a deadly piston of a punch as proven against hatton.
          Mayweather has beaten De La Hoya and Hatton with relative ease. These are guys who were at the top of alot of p4p lists for the past couple of years and they got dominated by mayweather. Here is a list of the top fighters in no particular order that are in a fightable weight class for mayweather: Junior Witter, Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Vernon Forrest, Andre Berto. I think most would agree that mayweather could cream all of these fighters easily. Couldn't definitly say that about any fighter in any era. Doesn't that make him the greatest of all-time?
          You thinking Floyd thinking that he can beat anyone doesnt make him ATG because its just based on personal opinion and bias. This is why sane ppl rate ATG status by record and accomplishment. Floyd's record is laughable compared to top 10 ATG's.

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          • Dorian
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            #25
            Best ever? No. ATG? Yes

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            • -Swizzy-
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              #26
              Originally posted by BmoreBrawler
              You thinking Floyd thinking that he can beat anyone doesnt make him ATG because its just based on personal opinion and bias. This is why sane ppl rate ATG status by record and accomplishment. Floyd's record is laughable compared to top 10 ATG's.

              how could you say that I'm rating him greatest of all-time cuz he says he is. I was a former mayweather hater as I stated. as in, I hated his unclassy attitude which I still do. I just think he is the greatest from observation. If I had to pick 2 fighters to put in the ring in order to display most possible skill in one fight, mayweather would definitly be one of those fighters.

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              • nmuburner22
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                #27
                Skillwise yes.

                Greatness wise.....remains to be seen.

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