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  • Ringo
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    To convert to Floydism.

    We have a lot of people around here who hate Money's guts, and a lot who want to swing from his shorthairs. But we also have people who sit on the fence. Personally, I stay on the "I hate him" side, but lean on the fence a little.

    I was thinking yesterday about what Floyd would have to do, in my book, to go down as a true all-timer of the sport, and I'm interested to know what some people who DON'T like Floyd would need as well.

    Please, if you DO love Floyd and believe that he rested on the seventh day, post something intelligent, not "OMG DOODZ HE'S ALRDY L337," or some derivative.

    For me, first he'd have to drop the act. There is plenty he could say and plenty of ways to promote without being an uberdouche to his opponents and his opponents' fans BEFORE the fight.

    Second he'd have to erase the doubt about ducking people. If he wants to fight the best and go down as a great, he needs to say outright, "look, the best guys need to fight each other and then the better man can fight me." He's the best right now, I give him that. But everyone wants him to fight somebody. If he stepped up and fought a few contenders then we run out of arguments against him.

    Third he'd have to stop talking about his greatness. Speaking about how he can execute his gameplan because of good training, about being in great shape because he worked hard, fine. But talking about hanging them up and being the best in history and being better than fighter XXXX is just ridiculous. Last time I checked, when a boxer goes into the IBHOF HE doesn't get to vote on himself.

    Last he needs some consistency. For a guy who is like clockwork with his training and religious with his approach to boxing - the retirement **** is getting old. Whats wrong with saying, "Look, I just got done fighting and I feel great, but I'm in good shape and I don't know yet if there will be a fight that will attract me on the horizon." Yes, I know thats what he said in a nutshell, but saying "I'm going to retire from boxing, its not going to retire me, I have 20931 digits in the bank, I'm going to retire, there's nothing left to prove, blah blah blah." Any time the person proving something says there is nothing left to prove - there is always something left to prove.

    If he managed to do these things in the "twilight" of his career (according to him), then I might actually have a real respect for him by the time he actually hung up the gloves. As it is - I'm holding out. He was humble and appreciative at the END of his fight with Hatton, but thats his typical MO. If it carries over to the build-up to his next fight, then I'll be impressed. Thats just me, and I'm sure there are other things. Anyone else have anything?
  • jack_the_rippuh
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    #2
    No way am I reading all that ****. The thread being titled "To convert to Floydism" is sick.

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    • BmoreBrawler
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      #3
      Originally posted by Ringo
      We have a lot of people around here who hate Money's guts, and a lot who want to swing from his shorthairs. But we also have people who sit on the fence. Personally, I stay on the "I hate him" side, but lean on the fence a little.

      I was thinking yesterday about what Floyd would have to do, in my book, to go down as a true all-timer of the sport, and I'm interested to know what some people who DON'T like Floyd would need as well.

      Please, if you DO love Floyd and believe that he rested on the seventh day, post something intelligent, not "OMG DOODZ HE'S ALRDY L337," or some derivative.

      For me, first he'd have to drop the act. There is plenty he could say and plenty of ways to promote without being an uberdouche to his opponents and his opponents' fans BEFORE the fight.

      Second he'd have to erase the doubt about ducking people. If he wants to fight the best and go down as a great, he needs to say outright, "look, the best guys need to fight each other and then the better man can fight me." He's the best right now, I give him that. But everyone wants him to fight somebody. If he stepped up and fought a few contenders then we run out of arguments against him.

      Third he'd have to stop talking about his greatness. Speaking about how he can execute his gameplan because of good training, about being in great shape because he worked hard, fine. But talking about hanging them up and being the best in history and being better than fighter XXXX is just ridiculous. Last time I checked, when a boxer goes into the IBHOF HE doesn't get to vote on himself.

      Last he needs some consistency. For a guy who is like clockwork with his training and religious with his approach to boxing - the retirement **** is getting old. Whats wrong with saying, "Look, I just got done fighting and I feel great, but I'm in good shape and I don't know yet if there will be a fight that will attract me on the horizon." Yes, I know thats what he said in a nutshell, but saying "I'm going to retire from boxing, its not going to retire me, I have 20931 digits in the bank, I'm going to retire, there's nothing left to prove, blah blah blah." Any time the person proving something says there is nothing left to prove - there is always something left to prove.

      If he managed to do these things in the "twilight" of his career (according to him), then I might actually have a real respect for him by the time he actually hung up the gloves. As it is - I'm holding out. He was humble and appreciative at the END of his fight with Hatton, but thats his typical MO. If it carries over to the build-up to his next fight, then I'll be impressed. Thats just me, and I'm sure there are other things. Anyone else have anything?
      Good post. I highlighted the things I think are important(and all interconnected) and also add 1 more thing: Dirty fighter with a dirty mouth.

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      • MaFu MoFo
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        #4
        Dude, it is the other way around. Floyd is losing fans by fighting Baldomir and Hatton.

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        • K-Nan
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          #5
          Personally, I think hating any fighter is pretty pathetic. Also, Floyd isn't retiring. And even if he does keep retiring and coming back, how does that effect you? It's not like he dissed you or something. Is it because you're a Gatti fan?

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          • Jim_Davis
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            #6
            I'd rather convert to Islam than Floydism.

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              #7
              am i gonna have to uncircumsize myself?

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              • jack_the_rippuh
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                #8
                Originally posted by Naz-Fan
                I'd rather convert to Islam than Floydism.
                Radical Floydism teaches that if you die in the name of Floyd, you get anything your heart desires in after-life.

                Fly planes into the Mandalay Bay.

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                • HOLD UP
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                  Floyds hole record is dominated by flat footed latin fighters with no hand speed or foot speed. How can this guy even be considered great when the closses guy he has fought to him talent wise is a washed up Zab Juda and he was lossing that fight until Zab ran out of gas. He can't even be considered in the same class as guys like Ray Robinson, Ray leonard, Thomas Hearns, Meldrick Taylor, Pernel Whitiker. Chavez, Duran, Benitez, Henry Armstrong, Willie Pep, Sugar Shane Mosely, Arron Pryor, Alexis Aurgreullo, Boom Boom Mancini and the list goes on and on these guys fought everybody out there between 4 or 5 weight classes from Lightwieght to Light heavyweight Maywheather has hand picked his apponents his hole career .......... you cats are brain washed. Do your boxing history he's not even fighting the best out there now......... "OVERATED"

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                  • St@rscreem
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                    You know, people can say what they want about his big mouth, but the fact is, before he started being a jackass, he wasn't making this kind of money. Not even close. You can say that the De La Hoya fight drew the fans because of Oscar (which is certainly what I thought), but he did huge numbers this time too. Gatti wasn't long ago, and I'm pretty sure that was his first PPV and he was on the p4p list way before that.

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