Calzaghe vs. Kessler... the double-edged sword

[shawn_]

I'm not comparing Miranda to Lacy...

Miranda is faster and is probably stronger.

You know what is ****ing sad though? Lacy is more technically solid than Miranda. God what a ****ing joke.

Ricardo Mayorga might be more technically solid than Miranda.

I'm pretty sure Joe has been around long enough to know how to avoid ridiculous street fight shots.



It's a ****ty division when the best matchups that can be made doesn't involve any belts (or at least legitimate ones, considering Bute won a belt that Calzaghe vacated).

This the same situation Roy Jones was in. All the sudden everyone realized just how good he was, all the suden, even top level competition seemed like nothing.

Thats what is going on around Joe. You look at a list of all of the best that 168 has to offer. None of them would even force Joe out of 2nd gear.

Kessler, the fighter who will demonate the division when Joe departs, fought and AMAZING fight against Joe. Serously, if you break that fight down, Kessler did everything right.

When a fighter is good enough the even if you make no mistakes, you can still get ahnialiated, picking opponents becomes more difficult that the fights themselves.

Who is there out thre for Joe tofight? He has cleaned up 168 ; so then he moves up to 174 right?
What is there for him at 174 a fight with Bernard Hopkins, even that fight not that


Joe Calaghe simple has nobody left to fight at 168
Joe Calzaghe only has bhop and rjj at 174


He needs to go like this then call it quites.
He needs to fight b-hop at 170 then end his career with Pavlik at 168

[Drunk Punch]

For me, that is the definition of being undisputed, it's not necessarily about titles, its about being so dominant at your weight class that you have to move up (or down) to find a worthy opponent. Calzaghe has done that at 168.

[demirturk]

I'm not comparing Miranda to Lacy...

Miranda is faster and is probably stronger.

You know what is ****ing sad though? Lacy is more technically solid than Miranda. God what a ****ing joke.

Ricardo Mayorga might be more technically solid than Miranda.

I'm pretty sure Joe has been around long enough to know how to avoid ridiculous street fight shots.



It's a ****ty division when the best matchups that can be made doesn't involve any belts (or at least legitimate ones, considering Bute won a belt that Calzaghe vacated).

are you serious? . so what kessler hurt calzaghe , im pretty sure miranda hits harder. pavlik doesnt have the best skill too. but yet he ko's people. what good is skill if someones power can knock you the **** out? are you saying miranda won't land anything? hell no. miranda has scary reach . and lands always many punches.

[Fox McCloud]

For me, that is the definition of being undisputed, it's not necessarily about titles, its about being so dominant at your weight class that you have to move up (or down) to find a worthy opponent. Calzaghe has done that at 168.

If that is the case, and the fighter who wins those bouts doesn't end up with any titles, there is something seriously wrong going on with the sanctioning bodies and their view of that division.

[Drunk Punch]

If that is the case, and the fighter who wins those bouts doesn't end up with any titles, there is something seriously wrong going on with the sanctioning bodies and their view of that division.

True, but wasn't that the case with Hatton at 140?

[Fox McCloud]

True, but wasn't that the case with Hatton at 140?

He vacated the IBF, and he was recognized by The Ring, which is more than good enough to deem someone as a true champion.

[Fox McCloud]

are you serious? . so what kessler hurt calzaghe , im pretty sure miranda hits harder. pavlik doesnt have the best skill too. but yet he ko's people. what good is skill if someones power can knock you the **** out? are you saying miranda won't land anything? hell no. miranda has scary reach . and lands always many punches.

I am serious.

Miranda's technical skills are about as bad as they come in the sport.

Not to say that he isn't a decent fighter, his power lets him beat other fighters, but jesus, against Joe Calzaghe?

I am saying Miranda won't land anything... the fact that he is faster than Jeff Lacy is taken away by the fact that he doesn't throw punches in a way that allows them to get to their target quickly.

A right handed fighter should not be throwing right hooks, if you catch my drift.

Argue whatever you want about Miranda, but you really shouldn't try to tell people that he is technically skillful.

[demirturk]

I am serious.

Miranda's technical skills are about as bad as they come in the sport.

Not to say that he isn't a decent fighter, his power lets him beat other fighters, but jesus, against Joe Calzaghe?

I am saying Miranda won't land anything... the fact that he is faster than Jeff Lacy is taken away by the fact that he doesn't throw punches in a way that allows them to get to their target quickly.

A right handed fighter should not be throwing right hooks, if you catch my drift.

Argue whatever you want about Miranda, but you really shouldn't try to tell people that he is technically skillful.

that is a bold statement .if you havent noticed , joe calzaghe likes to stay in the pocket and trade at times.... that is also in favor of edison IMO. im not saying hell beat him. you are making it sound like edison is an amateur...

[SHB]

Miranda? Dear God. Calzaghe would get arrested.

The worst thing that could have happened for 168 in the short term was Calzaghe beating Kessler. He was always moving out after that. Long term, it is probably a good thing - an ATG being the undisputed champion and ruler of the division for a decade has really made the division.

Saying that, it's still a division stacked with top fighters and is one I'm going to be keeping a look out for. My pick is for Kessler to take over the Calzaghe mantle (if he's able to get over the mental aspects of that defeat) but with names like Taylor, Pavlik, Bute, Froch, Inkin, Bika .... hell even Lacy if he can get back on the horse .... it should be good to watch. Hell, even Miranda's good to watch in a punchbag sort of way.

[Fox McCloud]

that is a bold statement .if you havent noticed , joe calzaghe likes to stay in the pocket and trade at times.... that is also in favor of edison IMO. im not saying hell beat him. you are making it sound like edison is an amateur...

Ummmm... yeah. The only that makes him professional is the fact that a paycheck is given to him for his fights.

He fights like a street fighter.

He doesn't use a jab.

If Lacy's little bit of boxing skill made it so he didn't land a single noticable punch, I can't imagine Miranda doing a whole lot.