Whos the best of this era?

[Azteca]

I would feel like **** if I was Roy...

You ****s who have never been good at a sport dont understand.

It ****ing sucks to lose.

[-Hyperion-]

this poll is a disgrace...

[Azteca]

Why isn't Pernell on there? OR DLH?

[BennyST]

Why isn't Pernell on there? OR DLH?

Whittaker was in the era before these guys. DLH isn't good enough. Though he could be in it he definitely wouldn't win it.

[pbftxrs316]

If you could look at things objectively I would try to answer but you're so close-minded to anything apart from what you think that no matter what argument comes from anyone it won't change the way you see it.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. You're just too stuck on it and can't see anything else. Floyd isn't even old enough yet to say he is the greatest. What if someone KO's him when he comes back from retirement? Will he still be the greatest. No. You can't say he is yet....PERIOD!!!

Relax man, just because everyone doesn't see it as you doesn't mean he isn't still great. If he is the greatest ever in your mind, well, thats really all that matters

You all seem to forget that before Roy was KO'ed everyone (and I mean everyone) was saying he is the greatest ever! Not even the best of his era, the best ever! You all know what happened after that. Floyd ain't done enough yet to judge him properly with all the other guys.

okay, to say i'm not being objective is one thing, but how am i close minded? i have both roy jones's career and floyd mayweather's career sets on dvd, and i have watched them extensively iver the years, so i have proof for my arguments, and am not just basing my arguments off of one of two fights.

to imply i'm close minded is ****** because this isn't the 1st time i've responded to a post like this, and i have given many arguments on this subject over the years and on this forum as well. you saying that i'm too close minded to change the way i see is kind of contradicting on your part, because you really look subjective wanting me to change the way i see it, mainly to type what you want to read. am i not suppose to have an argument over this matter? hello, it's a forum, i can believe what i want to and give a decent argument as to why or i don't have to give an argument at all, but i usually do.

to say "when" floyd gets knocked out after comin gback from retirement is assumption on your part, that's it. floyd's record isn't what i was trying to make my points off of entirely, i was talking about his will to win under any circumstance. how do you know how floyd will be if he comes out of retirement from a long period of time, when the man trains constantly an dis a gym rat? how do you know hoe he will look. i was explaining how fundamentally sound he was/is and how he wouldn't have to really realy on his atleticisim as much because of his smarts and skills. because floyd cannot stop time and not age. he will get older, and he will slow down most likely, but my argument was he will still have the fundamentals to still dominate because of how he stays in the gym all year round, and because of him having long layoffs in between fights in the past, yet, still winning them. of course, i can't read floyd's mind, and it's assumption on my part as well as yours with roy, but at least i have a legitmate argument as to why i feel the way i do, and am basing off of his past fights. you, on the other hand cannot really do this, seeing how roy was knocked out twice and lost by ud. this is taking nothing away from his skills, because he had many skills, but he didn't want the victory that night, and probably didn't train as hard as he should have, and floyd trains very hard all year round. he has it instilled in his brain not to bull**** around in training, and if hi shands weren't so brittle, i truly feel, he would have more knockouts and more dominating victories than he does, but of course i don't know for sure.

everybody is giving an opinion on the matter, yet, you point out my opinion and are calling me close minded, when many other posters on here aren't even giving arguments with their choice, roy jones, but you don't give them **** for it. why is that? you look hypocritical doing this, and in turn you are taking substance away from your posts. and, many people on here are bashing people for choosing floyd over roy, and you, yourself are one of those people, so really, you are losing steam from your logic imo. and you are really contradicting yourself.

now, how can you imply that floyd isn't old enough yet to say he is the greatest as if age plays into someone's confidence. so if floyd turns 40, he can say he is the greatest? he can say he's the greatest at any age. age means nothing when it comes to confidence and ego.

and, as far as "everyone" claiming that roy jones was the greatest before he was past his prime, you obviously have no way of knowing this, as you would have to have asked everyone woudln't you. ****, i didn't say he was the greatest before his prime was past at all. and, i'm sure people who consider ray robinson the greatest would have a little different opinion than you have wouldn't they?

floyd ain't done enough? how about winning 6 titles in 5 weight classes and going undefeated in all of his fights, and being considered the p4p best in his sport since 2005. how about being considered one of the most gifted, and skillful(many people feel he is the most skillful fighter in the last 5 decades, and some feel of all time) fighters to ever lace up a pair of boxing gloves. how about being the favorite in most of your fights, because of your skill and mindset? floyd has accomplsihed a lot of things in his career. he won 4 belts in 4 weight classes in under 10 years, that's saying a lot. he's still considered the very vest in boxing, that's saying a lot. he has great legends like benard hopkins and ray leonard calling him the greatest fighter of his genertation. that's saying a whole lot.

i think he's more than qualified to be called the greatest of his generation, not just because of how he trains, not just because of methodical he is in the ring, not just because how smart he is in the ring, not just because of his undefeated record, not just because of how fast he is, or because of elusive he is, or because how dominate he is, or because of defensively brilliant he is, or because of how talented and gifted and fundamentally sound he is, or because of how great his foot and upperbody movement is, or because of how confident he is, or because of how posied and relaxed he is in the ring, or how good his chin is, or how big his heart is to do this as a hated man, as a man who who fights through fans booing him, cheering him, the media criticizing him for his outside personality, or how he fights and wins under adversity. it's because of all of this he puts together and his dedication to the sport as well as to his craft. all of this comes into play when calling him the greatest, because he has done and has all of these things i mentioned.

[BROOKLYN CESAR]

Who is the greatest fighter of this era??

Roy is imo!!! Floyd isnt far behind!!!

[BennyST]

to imply i'm close minded is ****** because this isn't the 1st time i've responded to a post like this, and i have given many arguments on this subject over the years and on this forum as well. you saying that i'm too close minded to change the way i see is kind of contradicting on your part, because you really look subjective wanting me to change the way i see it, mainly to type what you want to read. am i not suppose to have an argument over this matter? hello, it's a forum, i can believe what i want to and give a decent argument as to why or i don't have to give an argument at all, but i usually do.

to say "when" floyd gets knocked out after comin gback from retirement is assumption on your part, that's it. floyd's record isn't what i was trying to make my points off of entirely, i was talking about his will to win under any circumstance. how do you know how floyd will be if he comes out of retirement from a long period of time, when the man trains constantly an dis a gym rat? how do you know hoe he will look. i was explaining how fundamentally sound he was/is and how he wouldn't have to really realy on his atleticisim as much because of his smarts and skills. because floyd cannot stop time and not age. he will get older, and he will slow down most likely, but my argument was he will still have the fundamentals to still dominate because of how he stays in the gym all year round, and because of him having long layoffs in between fights in the past, yet, still winning them. of course, i can't read floyd's mind, and it's assumption on my part as well as yours with roy, but at least i have a legitmate argument as to why i feel the way i do, and am basing off of his past fights. you, on the other hand cannot really do this, seeing how roy was knocked out twice and lost by ud. this is taking nothing away from his skills, because he had many skills, but he didn't want the victory that night, and probably didn't train as hard as he should have, and floyd trains very hard all year round. he has it instilled in his brain not to bull**** around in training, and if hi shands weren't so brittle, i truly feel, he would have more knockouts and more dominating victories than he does, but of course i don't know for sure.

everybody is giving an opinion on the matter, yet, you point out my opinion and are calling me close minded, when many other posters on here aren't even giving arguments with their choice, roy jones, but you don't give them **** for it. why is that? you look hypocritical doing this, and in turn you are taking substance away from your posts. and, many people on here are bashing people for choosing floyd over roy, and you, yourself are one of those people, so really, you are losing steam from your logic imo. and you are really contradicting yourself.

now, how can you imply that floyd isn't old enough yet to say he is the greatest as if age plays into someone's confidence. so if floyd turns 40, he can say he is the greatest? he can say he's the greatest at any age. age means nothing when it comes to confidence and ego.

and, as far as "everyone" claiming that roy jones was the greatest before he was past his prime, you obviously have no way of knowing this, as you would have to have asked everyone woudln't you. ****, i didn't say he was the greatest before his prime was past at all. and, i'm sure people who consider ray robinson the greatest would have a little different opinion than you have wouldn't they?

floyd ain't done enough? how about winning 6 titles in 5 weight classes and going undefeated in all of his fights, and being considered the p4p best in his sport since 2005. how about being considered one of the most gifted, and skillful(many people feel he is the most skillful fighter in the last 5 decades, and some feel of all time) fighters to ever lace up a pair of boxing gloves. how about being the favorite in most of your fights, because of your skill and mindset? floyd has accomplsihed a lot of things in his career. he won 4 belts in 4 weight classes in under 10 years, that's saying a lot. he's still considered the very vest in boxing, that's saying a lot. he has great legends like benard hopkins and ray leonard calling him the greatest fighter of his genertation. that's saying a whole lot.

i think he's more than qualified to be called the greatest of his generation, not just because of how he trains, not just because of methodical he is in the ring, not just because how smart he is in the ring, not just because of his undefeated record, not just because of how fast he is, or because of elusive he is, or because how dominate he is, or because of defensively brilliant he is, or because of how talented and gifted and fundamentally sound he is, or because of how great his foot and upperbody movement is, or because of how confident he is, or because of how posied and relaxed he is in the ring, or how good his chin is, or how big his heart is to do this as a hated man, as a man who who fights through fans booing him, cheering him, the media criticizing him for his outside personality, or how he fights and wins under adversity. it's because of all of this he puts together and his dedication to the sport as well as to his craft. all of this comes into play when calling him the greatest, because he has done and has all of these things i mentioned.

Jesus! Thats quite the post!
I never said 'when' Floyd gets KO'ed. I said if he gets KO'ed 'when' he comes back from retirement. Don't change my words. That third paragraph is why I believe you're being a bit close-minded on the issue. I'm not trying to be insulting or argumentative. You summed it up though in the third paragraph. We don't know what he is going to be like after this short retirement or after his second or third retirement. See, you have written that he is the best of this era 'period'! I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm simply throwing another possibility out there because it's not conclusive. There is no one that could be said to be the best of this era 'period'. Thats what you said. You're saying it as if there is no argument or room for discussion. Why come on this board if thats what you think. I come here to listen to opinions and give mine if I have one. If I see a good reason that Floyd is the best of this era then I will change my mind but I don't think anyone can say he is yet. Yet. Thats not to say he won't be but I think it's much too early to tell.

You said in the second paragraph that you can believe what you want. Of course you can. I'm not trying to change that. But, you're not really discussing why you think he's the best. You're stating it. There is a difference. You don't seem to be open to the possibility of someone else being the best of this era. Thats all I mean by the close-minded thing. I can see arguments for a number of people being the best, not just Jones or Hopkins or Floyd. You say he is 'THE BEST PERIOD'! Isn't that a bit close-minded?

Hey, you're the one who first replied to my post. I just gave my opinion on the thread. You started this by replying to me, not the other way 'round so it's not me who's being hypocritical. You replied to my post so I answered it. I'm not bagging out anyones argument...you did that to me, not the other way around. Go check if you need to. I'm not bashing Floyd at all. For gods sake man, where are you getting this? I like Floyd, he is without a doubt one of my favourite fighters at the moment. I just don't think it is a given that he is the best of this era. So I really don't see how I'm contradicting myself. I'm just answering your reply.

Ok, I don't understand what confidence and ego have to do with being the best? I'm sure Floyd has a huge ego and lots of confidence, as every boxer does, but what does that have to do with anything? I'm just saying that if Roy and Floyd were the same age (30) they would still be both unbeaten. They're not though and Floyd is still in the peak of his career whereas Jones, Hopkins etc are well, well past it. We can look at their entire careers (well, basically all of it: a few fights left for them) but Floyd still has many, many fights left in him. All I'm saying is that it is difficult to say with CERTAINTY that he is the best because he still has many fights to go (unless he retires now and doesn't come back) and may lose in the future. We don't know yet, thats all I'm saying.

What I meant about saying everyone thought Jones was the best was that people get caught up in the hype of the present moment. People were awe struck by Jones because they were seeing him live in front of them and so they all got caught up the hype and claimed 'He is the best ever!'. I don't think he is...Not even close! I just think there is a better argument for him being the best of this era. Thats certainly not my only opinion though.

See, the last paragraph is a bit much. Thats what most of these guys were like in their primes. Jones was the same. He looked invincible and had beaten the top guys, was P4P the best, had moved up through middle to heavyweight without losing (apart from DQ which he avenged brutally) etc etc. That is the same as what Floyd is doing. All I'm trying to get across is that while Jones, Hopkins etc have all but finished their careers Floyd is still in the middle of his. I don't think you can say with certainty that he is the best until after his career is over when you can look at everything with objectivity against everyones record.

Man, if that last paragraph doesn't show that you are just a bit close-minded when it comes to Floyd I don't know what does. C'mon, can't you see the possibility that he might just not be the best? Can you even see an argument? Or do you think that he is absolutely without a doubt the best period? If you do, that is being close-minded. Not an insult though. Just a bit too much Floyd love.

[The Troll]

Out of those Lewis. He's not my favorite fighter ever but he did beat some tremdous fighters over the course of his career. I said another post how heavyweight boxing basically doens't exist anymore. It's rarely on TV and when it is it doesn't meet your expectation of what top tier heavyweight boxing is not just because of alot of factors, the styles in the recent past, the actuall level of fighters now themselves. I mean come on Chris Byrd vs Davaryl Williamson? That's a top tier level fight now.

Lewis wasn't concensum number really until he dominated Tyson which was in 2001 right? Look at the cards he was on and the fights he made and won

Morrison
Holyfield
Holyfield
Tyson
Rahman
Rahman
Ruddock
Old Tucker (still a good card)
Mercer
Golota
Briggs
Marovic
Grant
Botha
Tua
Klitschko

And no matter who a guy like that is fighting is worth watching in regards to rest of his fights.

[The Troll]

well Tucker wasn't old but he'd alread peaked and started his descent at that point,

sorry I didnt' want to edit the post above again.

[FISTIC ART]

....................

Im going with floyd........

although i like roy.......

but both roy and floyd are athletic...

but roy was never technical his boxing skills werent as good as floyds...

when roy slowed down...he got knocked out twice.......

i even think floyd has slowed down but he's technical ......

and figures out his opponents and keeps winning...........