Whos the best of this era?

[raysan]

So I suppose you don't rate Roberto Duran, Ezzard Charles, Ray Leonard, Willie Pep, Joe Louis, etc very highly than.

I rate them very very highly, as i do Roy Jones Jr, I just rate some people higher. Come on, haha, Ray was stopped like 20 years into his boxing career and it was the ref jumping in not even out cold. Id say he was the best of his and that era would include Duran, who even when he got stopped went on to do more amazing things after. Roy got stopped and hasnt done anything since to make up for getting knocked out, not something typical of a guy the best of his era. I havent seen the others fight, so i wont speak on them.

[pbftxrs316]

Wow. I didn't think people were THAT much on Floyd's nuts.

Seriously, Roy Jones v Floyd Mayweather. Who wins?

If you pick Floyd, you need to either a) go jump off a very tall building, or b) enlist the aid of a firing squad. Either way, you need to eliminate yourself from the gene pool.

I suggest anyone who voted Floyd go back and watch Roy Jones in his prime. Not only did he beat the two next best fighters of this generation in their prime, James Toney, and Bernard Hopkins, he seriously outclassed them.

Did Floyd seriously outclass ANYONE even close to the skill level of James Toney? No. How about someone on the level of Bernard Hopkins? No. Floyd is a very good fighter, definitely a hall of fame fighter, but a Roy Jones he is not.

Roy Jones is the only fighter of the decade that can be legitimately argued as better than SRR, even though I am not of the opinion, the argument can be made.

if we pick floyd for anything, you woill be mad, so what makes you think that we care about what you think. now, suck my **** punk. i'm tired of the same rhetoric from people on this forum about floyd, he is the best of this era, bar none.

[pbftxrs316]

The problem with this argument is that one guy is still in his prime while the others are all well past it. Roy at Floyds stage was still undefeated and looking much more dominant.

If you look at a guy like James Toney, whose resume is better than all of these guys, he was easily as good as Mayweather when he was at 168 but he was still beaten by Jones. You can't make the argument that Jones has been KO'ed twice. His career is over...basically.

The thing with Mayweather is he has NOT fought a guy with as good skills as he has. Jones, Toney, Hopkins all have. Actually everyone in the top around middleweight and above were ten times the champions todays guys at WW are. Guys like Nunn, Kalambay, Barkley, Prince Williams, McCallum, McClennan, Julian Jackson, Herol Graham, Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn, Michael Watson....!!!

That is a list of fighters to rival any era. Toney fought the best out of all of them and won. Mayweather in that era would be just another of the really top ones. He would not dominate like he is now. No chance. So you cannot say Mayweather is better NOW. Wait another ten years and then we will be able to say properly who was the best of this era.

He is easily one of the best along with Jones, Toney, Hopkins, Mosely etc. Not the best though. Who has Mayweather fought that was truly as good as him, if not better physically? Someone answer me that. Please? There isn't anyone. He has fought good fighters but no one who was on the way, or already, a superstar and P4P great.

Toney was as good as Mayweather, if not better, but he had issues with weight and discipline. When he didn't though he was fighting guys who had absurd skill like him. Nunn (36-0) who was the P4P guy at the time and ultra fast, slick and a brilliant defensive fighter (as good as Mayweather and Toney). McCallum (43-1-1) who was very similar. What about Merqui Sosa (18-0), Reggie Johnson (29-1-1), Dell'Aquilla (31-1-1), Tim Littles (24-0), Charles Williams (36-5), Vassily Jirov (36-0). I mean c'mon....no one can say that Mayweather has fought this good opposition. Not even close. So while he has the opportunity to be the best of this era he still has a long way to go to get past these guys. If Mayweather was five years older he would've been fighting DLH, Mosely, Quartey, Wright etc in their primes. Then it would be a different story. Not now though.

this post is rediculous man. you claim floyd hasn't fought a guy like hopkins or toney, when hopkins nor toney were either in their primes at that point of their career. and, floyd called out mosley, oscar, and wright, when they still in their primes as far as i'm concerned. he publicly called them out, so don't give me this bull**** argument. who in floyd's weight class was as good as him? tell me. as good basically means, the same as him or very close to him. name one fighter who had the skills floyd had that was in his weight class that was as good as him? name one.

james toney's resume is better than floyd's and roy's but if you look at who he had in his division, as compared to floyd, of course it would be better, but floyd fought the best they gave him, when people like casamayor(who isn't like floyd in any way, way under his leve) and freitez opted not to fight him. skillwise, they weren't on his level.

the point is, roy jones lost 3 times, 2 times by way of knocked the **** out, floyd hasn't. he went up 5 weight classes and won all of his fights. it's pretty sad to not count roy's losses, yet compare them with floyd in the future. roy has 3 losses and was knocked out twice. being the best of your era means, to me atleast, staying dedicated to your craft, approaching every fight prepared, which is what floyd has done every fight, he has stayed hungry, and the numbers don't lie. you can throw all of that roy was too gifted bull**** out of the window, because there are many gifted athletes who have losses on their resume, floyd doesn't. roy does. floyd knows how to win under any circumstane, whether having a long layoff, which he has had in the past, just like roy, or staying acitve, which floyd does, whether he has a fight or not, he trains all year round, so i can see him still dominating after long layoff, because he stays dedicated to the sport.

i'm not taking anything away from jones' skills, but floyd is the greatest fighter of his era, bar none. the same goes for james toney, i will never take anything away from his skills or competion, but he has losts on his records, and there's no excuse for not full training for any fight, and floyd stays hungry. being great at something means staying involved in it. roy jones lost to tarver and johnson because they wanted it more those nights, and roy didn't want it more. this to me doesn't showcase greatness and roy jones is great imo. floyd has just satyed focus and determined to win every fight which he has done. skillwise, he's amazing, from his shadow boxing, jump rope routine, pad work, he trains very methodically and fights this way also. hopkins and leonard had it right, floy dmayweather jr is the greaest fighter of his generation, period.

[ИATAS]

So they don'tcount as wins for him because he was past his prime? If anything they should count more for him considering that.

No that's not what I meant. I meant that Jones at that time (even though he won) wasn't the same fighter he was back then. I was trying to compare a prime Jones to Mayweather.

Regardless, I voted prematurely. It's tough to say after reading the pro-Jones arguments in this thread, so I will exit the thread until I give it some more thought.

[SkillspayBills]

RJJ might have the most talent to ever grace a boxer. If he wasn't ducked so much he would have been the greatest ever.

[BennyST]

I'd say Zab Judah is physically more gifted, more power and speed but even if not, Is it his fault no one is as good as him? Thats the thing, this dude was born and raised for this, Put him at 140 where he should be and no one even comes close to him, so what does he do, goes and wins two more belts at higher divisions. I think James Toney gets slighted in these discussions because his lack of discipline (weight wise), but i hold him higher than Roy, for the fact he did what Roy did and even at heavy weight he was fighting legitimate heavies and holding his own, while roy picked the worse possible and went right back down. Yes, Roy beat Toney, but that was a Toney who could not make that weight anymore, proven by him never fighting at that weight again. All i know is the best fighter of a generation doesnt get knocked out cold twice, and people say losing weight was hard and thats the reason he lost but hes still making 170 years after so how can that be a legitimate excuse. I mean even an old Ali didnt get knocked out cold by Holmes, or i dont think Ray Robinson was ever knocked out cold, its just something that doesnt go together.

Ahh, yes you're right. I completely forgot about Judah. Physically and skillfully he was as good but in a way he is also terrible. He was already KO'ed a couple of times before fighting Mayweather. If Judah had had the mental capacity and was undefeated (beating Tszyu etc) along with his skills he would've been the guy for Mayweather. As it stands though he lacked the intangibles to make Mayweather the best of the era. But you're right. That is the kind of guy I was talking about. Most other all time greats have had guys phenomenally good to fight which is what makes them even greater. Judah should've been that guy for Floyd but wasn't. Nearly was though.

Man, I sometimes wish Judah had the goods. Then the fight they had would've been one for the times. Then I would say Mayweather is the best happily.

Edit: James Toney when properly trained was the greatest fighter I've seen. Better than Floyd. More in the pocket, better defense...just a better FIGHTER! I loved Toney. Such a pity about his discipline. A real fighter for the ages. I agree as well about him fighting everyone. He ducked no one and tried to fight only the best.

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[Azteca]

RJJ might have the most talent to ever grace a boxer. If he wasn't ducked so much he would have been the greatest ever.

....yeah..........no.

[BennyST]

this post is rediculous man. you claim floyd hasn't fought a guy like hopkins or toney, when hopkins nor toney were either in their primes at that point of their career. and, floyd called out mosley, oscar, and wright, when they still in their primes as far as i'm concerned. he publicly called them out, so don't give me this bull**** argument. who in floyd's weight class was as good as him? tell me. as good basically means, the same as him or very close to him. name one fighter who had the skills floyd had that was in his weight class that was as good as him? name one.

james toney's resume is better than floyd's and roy's but if you look at who he had in his division, as compared to floyd, of course it would be better, but floyd fought the best they gave him, when people like casamayor(who isn't like floyd in any way, way under his leve) and freitez opted not to fight him. skillwise, they weren't on his level.

the point is, roy jones lost 3 times, 2 times by way of knocked the **** out, floyd hasn't. he went up 5 weight classes and won all of his fights. it's pretty sad to not count roy's losses, yet compare them with floyd in the future. roy has 3 losses and was knocked out twice. being the best of your era means, to me atleast, staying dedicated to your craft, approaching every fight prepared, which is what floyd has done every fight, he has stayed hungry, and the numbers don't lie. you can throw all of that roy was too gifted bull**** out of the window, because there are many gifted athletes who have losses on their resume, floyd doesn't. roy does. floyd knows how to win under any circumstane, whether having a long layoff, which he has had in the past, just like roy, or staying acitve, which floyd does, whether he has a fight or not, he trains all year round, so i can see him still dominating after long layoff, because he stays dedicated to the sport.

i'm not taking anything away from jones' skills, but floyd is the greatest fighter of his era, bar none. the same goes for james toney, i will never take anything away from his skills or competion, but he has losts on his records, and there's no excuse for not full training for any fight, and floyd stays hungry. being great at something means staying involved in it. roy jones lost to tarver and johnson because they wanted it more those nights, and roy didn't want it more. this to me doesn't showcase greatness and roy jones is great imo. floyd has just satyed focus and determined to win every fight which he has done. skillwise, he's amazing, from his shadow boxing, jump rope routine, pad work, he trains very methodically and fights this way also. hopkins and leonard had it right, floy dmayweather jr is the greaest fighter of his generation, period.

If you could look at things objectively I would try to answer but you're so close-minded to anything apart from what you think that no matter what argument comes from anyone it won't change the way you see it.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. You're just too stuck on it and can't see anything else. Floyd isn't even old enough yet to say he is the greatest. What if someone KO's him when he comes back from retirement? Will he still be the greatest. No. You can't say he is yet....PERIOD!!!

Relax man, just because everyone doesn't see it as you doesn't mean he isn't still great. If he is the greatest ever in your mind, well, thats really all that matters

You all seem to forget that before Roy was KO'ed everyone (and I mean everyone) was saying he is the greatest ever! Not even the best of his era, the best ever! You all know what happened after that. Floyd ain't done enough yet to judge him properly with all the other guys.

[phallus]

If any of you watch this and then still say Floyd then there is clearly no helping you.

Jones beat lights out and the executioner. They are more closer to Floyd than Floyd's opponents are to Roy.

it's roy, him and james toney are the most naturally talented fighters i've seen in my lifetime, and i'm older than u guys so i've seen more.

that korean dude in the olympics, creem of sum yung guy, he knew he got schooled in the olympics that's why he lifted roy up at the end of the fight when the judges gave him the dec