Whos the best of this era?

[DiegoFuego]

5 division champion
Undefeated

Nuff said

[warp1432]

Before the hatton fight, Mayweather's most impressive win was over Corrales, the only undefeated fighter he ever beat. Dudes like Gatti and Boldomir or w/e, even oscar. Beating someone with 11 losses is'nt very amazing.

Calzaghe has somethin like 5 undefeated fighters on his record, 2 undefeated champions.

And Calzaghe beating Kessler is far more impressive than Floyd beating Ricky Hatton. Sorry lol

No it's not. Was Kessler p4p? Hell no.

Calzaghe doesn't even have that good of a resume to be honest.

Lacy, Eubank, Kessler, and Reid pretty much. Nothing noteable. Yes he's made 21 defenses, but it's still pretty average. He's a great fighter, but doesn't have a fantastic resume. I'd say Bernard, Jones, Lewis, and Mayweather all have a better resume then Calzaghe.

[RisAri0]

You do realize the Roy basically blocked out the sun. He fought everyone that would fight them, took their belt, and kept it. Roy didn't just jump around divisions picking off the weak alphabet soup champions.

He collected every belt so there were no more alphabet soup champions with the exception of Michalzewski who saw what was going on and avoided Roy like the plague.

They were putting together Roy Jones tournaments. They actually got the best fighters willing to fight Roy, made them all fight each other, and Roy would fight the winner.

He ended up fighting Eric Harding because Eric Harding beat Antonio Tarver in the tournament.

Needless to say Harding was soundly beaten.

You also sound like you are blaming Roy for getting old. It happens to everyone, get use to it. It will happen to Floyd some day too.

you make good solid points, but again...I just can't see Floyd ending up like

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VN4uQs10yAw & http://youtube.com/watch?v=h6Szy9rVktk&feature=related

if anything Floyd, if he wanted to could adapt to what hopkins is now...minus dirty tactics...if it weren't for videos above I'd have Roy ahead of Floyd...looking at those KOs make his stock look really bad...

[Ironside]

I think Lewis has the best resume in the bunch and with beating every opponent in his career, and dominating the HW division, I say he's the best one. Even though Calzaghe should not be the best one, he deserves a nomination.

[RisAri0]

I'm sure we can all agree that Roy was physically superior to Floyd, but Floyd is more of a master technician, who while extremely fast and athletic doesn't rely on those gifts as much as Roy did...

with that said, I don't think there has ever been a fighter as physically gifted as Jones was... Agree?

[Sweet Pete]

No, take Ruiz and Tarver out of there because I'm talking about Jones back in the day, he wasn't the same fighter by the time he fought Ruiz/Tarver.

So they don'tcount as wins for him because he was past his prime? If anything they should count more for him considering that.

[Sweet Pete]

]Before the hatton fight, Mayweather's most impressive win was over Corrales, the only undefeated fighter he ever beat.

You're already one the wrong foot by assuming someone with an undefeated record makes him the best win, although you have a case with Corrales, considering it was his best performance, along with being his 2nd or 3rd biggest name. You also seem to leave out all of his other wins like Castillo twice, Chavez, Hernandez, Judah, and of course, the one that outdoes it on a resume, De la Hoya.

Dudes like Gatti and Boldomir or w/e, even oscar. Beating someone with 11 losses is'nt very amazing.

What is your point? Joe has faced far more fighters of this caliber than Floyd. And saying "even Oscar" as if saying he wasn't a good win, is an absolutely laughable quote. Are you saying Jeff Lacy would've been a better win for Joe than Ali was for Norton because Ali had lost? That's all your basing opposition on, whther their opponent had won or lost, which makes me think you're either very young or just don't understand sports, namely boxing.

Calzaghe has somethin like 5 undefeated fighters on his record, 2 undefeated champions.

Again, read all of the above, that doesn't mean a goddamn thing, considering the champs were ****ty ass Jeff Lacy and a good but nowhere near great fighter in Mikkel Kessler(yet anyways).

And Calzaghe beating Kessler is far more impressive than Floyd beating Ricky Hatton.

Based on what? You wanting to win this argument? Hatton was a top 10 P4P fighter, Kessler had only just gotten recognition for being unable to stop a bigger version of Gatti. I think you're the only one who sees decisioning Kessler a bigger win than KO'ing Hatton.

Sorry lol

I accept your apology, just don't make another post like that again.

[BennyST]

The problem with this argument is that one guy is still in his prime while the others are all well past it. Roy at Floyds stage was still undefeated and looking much more dominant.

If you look at a guy like James Toney, whose resume is better than all of these guys, he was easily as good as Mayweather when he was at 168 but he was still beaten by Jones. You can't make the argument that Jones has been KO'ed twice. His career is over...basically.

The thing with Mayweather is he has NOT fought a guy with as good skills as he has. Jones, Toney, Hopkins all have. Actually everyone in the top around middleweight and above were ten times the champions todays guys at WW are. Guys like Nunn, Kalambay, Barkley, Prince Williams, McCallum, McClennan, Julian Jackson, Herol Graham, Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn, Michael Watson....!!!

That is a list of fighters to rival any era. Toney fought the best out of all of them and won. Mayweather in that era would be just another of the really top ones. He would not dominate like he is now. No chance. So you cannot say Mayweather is better NOW. Wait another ten years and then we will be able to say properly who was the best of this era.

He is easily one of the best along with Jones, Toney, Hopkins, Mosely etc. Not the best though. Who has Mayweather fought that was truly as good as him, if not better physically? Someone answer me that. Please? There isn't anyone. He has fought good fighters but no one who was on the way, or already, a superstar and P4P great.

Toney was as good as Mayweather, if not better, but he had issues with weight and discipline. When he didn't though he was fighting guys who had absurd skill like him. Nunn (36-0) who was the P4P guy at the time and ultra fast, slick and a brilliant defensive fighter (as good as Mayweather and Toney). McCallum (43-1-1) who was very similar. What about Merqui Sosa (18-0), Reggie Johnson (29-1-1), Dell'Aquilla (31-1-1), Tim Littles (24-0), Charles Williams (36-5), Vassily Jirov (36-0). I mean c'mon....no one can say that Mayweather has fought this good opposition. Not even close. So while he has the opportunity to be the best of this era he still has a long way to go to get past these guys. If Mayweather was five years older he would've been fighting DLH, Mosely, Quartey, Wright etc in their primes. Then it would be a different story. Not now though.

[raysan]

The problem with this argument is that one guy is still in his prime while the others are all well past it. Roy at Floyds stage was still undefeated and looking much more dominant.

If you look at a guy like James Toney, whose resume is better than all of these guys, he was easily as good as Mayweather when he was at 168 but he was still beaten by Jones. You can't make the argument that Jones has been KO'ed twice. His career is over...basically.

The thing with Mayweather is he has NOT fought a guy with as good skills as he has. Jones, Toney, Hopkins all have. Actually everyone in the top around middleweight and above were ten times the champions todays guys at WW are. Guys like Nunn, Kalambay, Barkley, Prince Williams, McCallum, McClennan, Julian Jackson, Herol Graham, Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn, Michael Watson....!!!

That is a list of fighters to rival any era. Toney fought the best out of all of them and won. Mayweather in that era would be just another of the really top ones. He would not dominate like he is now. No chance. So you cannot say Mayweather is better NOW. Wait another ten years and then we will be able to say properly who was the best of this era.

He is easily one of the best along with Jones, Toney, Hopkins, Mosely etc. Not the best though. Who has Mayweather fought that was truly as good as him, if not better physically? Someone answer me that. Please? There isn't anyone. He has fought good fighters but no one who was on the way, or already, a superstar and P4P great.

Toney was as good as Mayweather, if not better, but he had issues with weight and discipline. When he didn't though he was fighting guys who had absurd skill like him. Nunn (36-0) who was the P4P guy at the time and ultra fast, slick and a brilliant defensive fighter (as good as Mayweather and Toney). McCallum (43-1-1) who was very similar. What about Merqui Sosa (18-0), Reggie Johnson (29-1-1), Dell'Aquilla (31-1-1), Tim Littles (24-0), Charles Williams (36-5), Vassily Jirov (36-0). I mean c'mon....no one can say that Mayweather has fought this good opposition. Not even close. So while he has the opportunity to be the best of this era he still has a long way to go to get past these guys. If Mayweather was five years older he would've been fighting DLH, Mosely, Quartey, Wright etc in their primes. Then it would be a different story. Not now though.

I'd say Zab Judah is physically more gifted, more power and speed but even if not, Is it his fault no one is as good as him? Thats the thing, this dude was born and raised for this, Put him at 140 where he should be and no one even comes close to him, so what does he do, goes and wins two more belts at higher divisions. I think James Toney gets slighted in these discussions because his lack of discipline (weight wise), but i hold him higher than Roy, for the fact he did what Roy did and even at heavy weight he was fighting legitimate heavies and holding his own, while roy picked the worse possible and went right back down. Yes, Roy beat Toney, but that was a Toney who could not make that weight anymore, proven by him never fighting at that weight again. All i know is the best fighter of a generation doesnt get knocked out cold twice, and people say losing weight was hard and thats the reason he lost but hes still making 170 years after so how can that be a legitimate excuse. I mean even an old Ali didnt get knocked out cold by Holmes, or i dont think Ray Robinson was ever knocked out cold, its just something that doesnt go together.

[Sweet Pete]

I'd say Zab Judah is physically more gifted, more power and speed but even if not, Is it his fault no one is as good as him? Thats the thing, this dude was born and raised for this, Put him at 140 where he should be and no one even comes close to him, so what does he do, goes and wins two more belts at higher divisions. I think James Toney gets slighted in these discussions because his lack of discipline (weight wise), but i hold him higher than Roy, for the fact he did what Roy did and even at heavy weight he was fighting legitimate heavies and holding his own, while roy picked the worse possible and went right back down. Yes, Roy beat Toney, but that was a Toney who could not make that weight anymore, proven by him never fighting at that weight again. All i know is the best fighter of a generation doesnt get knocked out cold twice, and people say losing weight was hard and thats the reason he lost but hes still making 170 years after so how can that be a legitimate excuse. I mean even an old Ali didnt get knocked out cold by Holmes, or i dont think Ray Robinson was ever knocked out cold, its just something that doesnt go together.

So I suppose you don't rate Roberto Duran, Ezzard Charles, Ray Leonard, Willie Pep, Joe Louis, etc very highly than.