Floyd v. Cotto

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • platinummatt!
    30 gallons of it.
    Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
    • Sep 2006
    • 9325
    • 661
    • 329
    • 18,186

    #41
    When talking after the Hatton fight he made out like he wasn't going to do that as he said he didnt need to prove himself

    Comment

    • wmute
      Undisputed Champion
      Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
      • Nov 2003
      • 8084
      • 289
      • 446
      • 15,158

      #42
      Originally posted by Wiley Hyena
      If Cotto can beat Mosely, he can beat Floyd. Whether or not Cotto would actually beat Floyd is another matter altogether. If Floyd ducks Cotto, the respect he just earned against Hatton will quickly evaporate. Fighting Cotto is a must....even if it's the last fight of Floyd's career.

      Anybody disagree?
      Of course I disagree, Mosley and Mayweather dont even fight alike, and you start this thread the way you started it.

      Comment

      • Wiley Hyena
        Undisputed Champion
        Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
        • Sep 2007
        • 4054
        • 98
        • 17
        • 10,386

        #43
        Originally posted by sonofisis
        Most of the public doesn't know Cotto and here's just one professional opinion which seems to be a theme now immediately after the Hatton fight among respected writers:


        "From here the questions will be about Miguel Cotto, a potentially great fight, but let’s be honest…Miguel’s people didn’t even breathe Floyd’s name until seven years into Cotto’s career and seem to have booked away from him already on the 2008 schedule without even attempting to negotiate the fight. The onus is on Miguel Cotto to prove he can beat Floyd and not the other way around. The onus is on anyone to beat Floyd and not the other way around. The first fighter in history to win the lineal titles at 130 and 147 has, with the Hatton win, has defeated the reigning kings of four weight classes in his career and he’s not done yet. He might not quite be Ray Robinson level (yet), but Floyd is knocking on the door of the top twenty fighters that ever lived if he’s not already there."
        Explore the latest pound-for-pound boxing rankings and discover the top fighters in the world. Stay updated on the best pound-for-pound fighters across all weight divisions at BoxingScene.



        Hence, beating Cotto does not make you an "atg", it is your accumulated resume and Floyd now seems to be generally getting the respect he's always deserved, so... After giving so much back to boxing and helping to revive it in 2007 means that if Floyd is genuinely bored with boxing and has accomplished what no one else today has, then pressuring him and trying to bully him to meet your selfish needs or overwhelming expectations is definitely something that I find silly..
        It's not my needs that are important. If Floyd retired right now, I would simply watch somebody else fight.

        What's important is how public criticism would affect the perception of Floyd as an ATG....which is a status that Floyd covets. I doesn't matter that YOU think Floyd could retire now as an ATG.

        If Floyd fails to fight Cotto, people that control those perceptions, ie..Merchant, Steward, various pundits, and even The Ring Magazine, will come down on Floyd big time. That fight is now expected. IF you want to deny the reality of the situation, that's your choice. I'm just telling it like it is.

        Comment

        • ThaHorseman
          Undisputed Champion
          • Sep 2006
          • 1472
          • 141
          • 19
          • 7,875

          #44
          Originally posted by C-Drone
          What is it with this comment? Nowhere near? So, the guy who beat Oscar, FIRST and in his prime gets no credit, yet Mayweather beating De La Hoya SECOND and a SLIIIGHTLY faded version helps cement his legacy?

          Just curious.

          I'm not saying he's better than Floyd, but these comments are ridiculous.
          Do you honestly believe that Shane Mosley would make a fight with Mayweather even remotely close? I'm talking right now.

          Comment

          • ßringer
            **** Subtlety
            Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
            • Jun 2006
            • 28180
            • 2,785
            • 2,762
            • 48,350

            #45
            I always thought Hatton had a better chance at Mayweather than Cotto did. Cotto did well against Mosley and got the decision, I still think that Mosley won the fight after seeing it several times, or it was a draw. But either way, Cotto showed serious problems adapting to Shane's style at times, and then he adapted to it quite well at other times.

            I see Mayweather dismantling Cotto in the same way he did Ricky Hatton, possibly even worse.

            Comment

            • THe TRiNiTY
              Sugar-Will O'-Hurricane
              Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
              • Dec 2006
              • 10079
              • 405
              • 103
              • 17,986

              #46
              Originally posted by ThaHorseman
              Do you honestly believe that Shane Mosley would make a fight with Mayweather even remotely close? I'm talking right now.
              Why wouldn't it be?

              You see those fast hard shots he hit Cotto with? Mayweather got thrown off from the speed of HATTON. You think he's going to be COMPLETELY ready for the speed of Mosley, who hits harder and makes 147 much better than Hatton AND Mayweather. He also likes the fight to stay at range and so does Floyd, which would make this fight very interesting and CLOSE. I don't know if Mosley wins, but I think it's in NO WAY, a shut out.

              Comment

              • Wiley Hyena
                Undisputed Champion
                Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                • Sep 2007
                • 4054
                • 98
                • 17
                • 10,386

                #47
                Originally posted by ThaHorseman
                Do you honestly believe that Shane Mosley would make a fight with Mayweather even remotely close? I'm talking right now.
                Shane Mosely is a much bigger guy than Hatton. To immediately dismiss his chances against Mayweather is, I hate to say it, but an explicit example of nuthuggery! That's nuts. Mosely and Floyd would be a great fight.

                Comment

                • BmoreBrawler
                  Undisputed Champion
                  Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                  • Jul 2006
                  • 4594
                  • 130
                  • 315
                  • 11,672

                  #48
                  it would be a brutal war, and Mayweather would probably fight and not run because Cotto is not that big.

                  Comment

                  • ThaHorseman
                    Undisputed Champion
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 1472
                    • 141
                    • 19
                    • 7,875

                    #49
                    Originally posted by C-Drone
                    Why wouldn't it be?

                    You see those fast hard shots he hit Cotto with? Mayweather got thrown off from the speed of HATTON. You think he's going to be COMPLETELY ready for the speed of Mosley, who hits harder and makes 147 much better than Hatton AND Mayweather. He also likes the fight to stay at range and so does Floyd, which would make this fight very interesting and CLOSE. I don't know if Mosley wins, but I think it's in NO WAY, a shut out.
                    Mosley has one punch: A straight right hand. He paws with his jab and his hook isn't anything special. He's a right-handed version of Zab Judah except his hands aren't as fast. People still think that Mosley has the same hand speed he's always had, but he's MUCH slower. And his footwork is not the greatest either. Lots of people think he'd beat Mayweather (or be competitive) based on reputation. I don't see it. He's solid, but by no means spectacular.

                    Comment

                    • ThaHorseman
                      Undisputed Champion
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 1472
                      • 141
                      • 19
                      • 7,875

                      #50
                      Originally posted by Wiley Hyena
                      Shane Mosely is a much bigger guy than Hatton. To immediately dismiss his chances against Mayweather is, I hate to say it, but an explicit example of nuthuggery! That's nuts. Mosely and Floyd would be a great fight.
                      Actually its an example of paying attention to reality over perception. Mosley has declined a lot over the past couple years.

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      TOP