The Stats on Mayweather - Hatton

[SkillspayBills]

Who did you bet with on the outcome of this fight again Coyote?

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[RodBarker]

Hatton looks like he could tear your heart out and watch it pump in his hands. Floyd looks like he's only now taking this thing seriously. "IMO" of course.

Looking like and be able to do it are two different things Wiley , thats what I meant when I said forget the hype , I can look at form and detach the hype you cant , get reay to be educated ,,, did you see the snarl Ricky had Wow

,,, see you Sunday Wiley .

[Left2body]

On principle, yes....no excuses. But, in reality we have to see the fight. For example, if Floyd breaks his hand in round 1 and gets pulverized....there is an excuse. Right? If the referree will not let them fight inside and Ricky gets screwed........there is an excuse. But, it would have to be something major like that for any "excuse" to be legitimate.

It depends on what you consider fighting inside. IF you consider fighting inside as "holding and hitting" or as "head to sholder, head to sholder". The first shouldn't be allowed the second is beautiful when correctly done.

[Azteca]

It depends on what you consider fighting inside. IF you consider fighting inside as "holding and hitting" or as "head to sholder, head to sholder". The first shouldn't be allowed the second is beautiful when correctly done.

You should really maybe, you know, watch some Duran fights.

Plenty of his fights were boring and filled with alot of clinching and holding.

Are you familiar with his career at LW?

Just wondering.

[Left2body]

You should really maybe, you know, watch some Duran fights.

Plenty of his fights were boring and filled with alot of clinching and holding.

Are you familiar with his career at LW?

Just wondering.

I have watched all of the Duran fights I have been able to get video on and he was aggressive and pushed and shoved at times but thats not my point. My point is that HOLDING with one hand while HITTING with the other is illegal and excessive amounts of it should be punished.

You in NO WAY can compare Duran's style to Hatton. Duran was so much more polished and slicker than Hatton. Duran also had way better defense and came in with great movement and angles.

[Azteca]

I have watched all of the Duran fights I have been able to get video on and he was aggressive and pushed and shoved at times but thats not my point. My point is that HOLDING with one hand while HITTING with the other is illegal and excessive amounts of it should be punished.

You in NO WAY can compare Duran's style to Hatton. Duran was so much more polished and slicker than Hatton. Duran also had way better defense and came in with great movement and angles.

He did.

But you seem to forget that Duran is a first ballot HOFer, and one of the top 5 fighters ever. And that isn't even debatable.

Ricky Hatton is....clearly not.

But that doesn't mean Ricky Hatton is not a great fighter.

And there IS a difference between Clinching and HOLDING. Holding is illegal. Clinching is. Which is why Ruiz rarely ever got point deducted in his career.

And if you want to prove me wrong...then do it.

How many times was Ruiz deducted for excessive holding?

[Left2body]

He did.

But you seem to forget that Duran is a first ballot HOFer, and one of the top 5 fighters ever. And that isn't even debatable.

Ricky Hatton is....clearly not.

But that doesn't mean Ricky Hatton is not a great fighter.

And there IS a difference between Clinching and HOLDING. Holding is illegal. Clinching is. Which is why Ruiz rarely ever got point deducted in his career.

And if you want to prove me wrong...then do it.

How many times was Ruiz deducted for excessive holding?

Ruiz and Hatton are different in there holding for the most part. Ruiz does more of the 1 or 1-2 and falls into his opponents and clinches (similar to Klitch). Holding is also more acceptable in the HW's because of the low work rate to begin with.

Hatton in the Tzu fight held and HIT. We see this more in his last few fights than in earlier fights in his career (see urango)for whatever reason.

However, a referre should break up this type of "IN FIGHTING".

You want to compare modern fighters to Duran, how about Vazquez or Cotto. Look at them fight and tell me they do 1/5 the amount of clinching or hitting and holding that Hatton does.

Again I'm not saying that Hatton isn't a very good fighter (great is yet to be see). All I'm doing is expanding on the original point of If the referree will not let them fight inside and Ricky gets screwed........there is an excuse.

If the referre doesn't allow Hatton to hit and hold that can hardly be considered an excuse.

[Wiley Hyena]

Ruiz and Hatton are different in there holding for the most part. Ruiz does more of the 1 or 1-2 and falls into his opponents and clinches (similar to Klitch). Holding is also more acceptable in the HW's because of the low work rate to begin with.

Hatton in the Tzu fight held and HIT. We see this more in his last few fights than in earlier fights in his career (see urango)for whatever reason.

However, a referre should break up this type of "IN FIGHTING".

You want to compare modern fighters to Duran, how about Vazquez or Cotto. Look at them fight and tell me they do 1/5 the amount of clinching or hitting and holding that Hatton does.

Again I'm not saying that Hatton isn't a very good fighter (great is yet to be see). All I'm doing is expanding on the original point of If the referree will not let them fight inside and Ricky gets screwed........there is an excuse.

If the referre doesn't allow Hatton to hit and hold that can hardly be considered an excuse.

Joe Cortez reffed the Hatton - Castillo fight, and he did it well. IF he changes his style for tommorrow night's fight, then you know the fix is in. I think that is a reasonable observation.

But, you are misreading my post to suit your needs. Some refs simply break the fighters up almost immediately when they get in elbow to elbow and start mauling each other. It has nothing to do with holding. If Cortez employs this, then Hatton will get screwed because he's an inside fighter. It's just that simple.

[Azteca]

Left2Body:
You are crucifying Hatton for what you consider a 'lack of style'. Dont want to put words in your mouth but that's what it sounds like to me.

Boxing isnt about style points and how good you look during a fight. At least not the boxing I grew up on.

It's about action. It's about results. It's about something other then 'style points'. It's about substance.

Something primitive about boxing, yet so complex. It's man to man combat.

Holding, elbowing, mauling, hitting with the cuff, low blows. All part of the sport. And has been since Marquis of Queensbury.

Doesn't detract from a fighter's greatness. And it sure as hell should never detract from a guys legacy.

I'm sorry man...but this will and always will be part of the sport.

It is a fight after all.

[Parody]

Joe Cortez reffed the Hatton - Castillo fight, and he did it well. IF he changes his style for tommorrow night's fight, then you know the fix is in. I think that is a reasonable observation.

But, you are misreading my post to suit your needs. Some refs simply break the fighters up almost immediately when they get in elbow to elbow and start mauling each other. It has nothing to do with holding. If Cortez employs this, then Hatton will get screwed because he's an inside fighter. It's just that simple.

How simple is it to tell you....

Holding and Hitting is ILLEGAL

So how will Hatton get screwed if he is'nt allowed to do something which is not allowed in the Sport unless you get away with it?