So Who's the Draw For Mayweather-Hatton?

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  • Jim Jeffries
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    #81
    Originally posted by Marduke
    2 of DLH's first 4 PPV fights were in ****ing 1995 also, you tool.

    Not to mention his first 2 PPV's were only 3 years after going professional.

    Floyd has been pro since 1996, and had his first PPV after 9 years of being pro.
    Watch this fool ignore your most important points.

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    • Marduke
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      #82
      Originally posted by quntel
      It took Oscar something around 20 fights to get on P.P.V
      and that with No Problems....,and a Gold Medal in his Pocket....
      17 fights, actually. And he fought all of them within 3 years of going pro. Pretty impressive.

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      • jai mari078
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        #83
        Originally posted by quntel
        It took Oscar something around 20 fights to get on P.P.V
        and that with No Problems....,and a Gold Medal in his Pocket....


        Now Floyd could of been on P.P.V after his 23Rd fight Agaisnt
        with Corralles
        But Bob Arum was only focus on Oscar and MAB at the time
        (nobody agrue that)

        PLUS Floyd had no Gold Medal because he got robbed... He had Court Problems, and he Wasnt the "Smile all the time boxer like Oscar is..""

        In 2001 after he beat Corralles.....
        he called out Morralles, MAB, Prince Hamed FOR p.p.v FIGHTS and Arum didnt make it happen because why....


        MAB was with Top rank..., and he gave Hamed to MAB insted of Mayweather...

        So its not Floyd fault.....It's Top Rank Fault

        But when floyd did get on P.P.V you could see where his following was at....!


        AND FACTS ARE FACTS

        Floyd 1st Four P.P.V
        beats
        Oscat 1st Four P.P.V
        You have to look at what Oscar has meant to the sport of boxing . He pretty much carried the sport throughout the peak of his career. He has been the biggest draw over about a decade since Tyson. he also has had the ability to draw the casual fan that is not a die hard boxing fan. He has been able to bring people to the sport that would not normally be attracted to it, and that is something that Floyd has never been able to do and will never be able to do because the majority of people outside of hard core fans that appreciate his skill, do not like his personality and the way he carries himself. he does not have the drawing power or the charisma to bring people to the sport, and don't mistake berating opponents and disrespecting legends for charisma. Bottom line. Stop looking through the Floyd tunnel vision and step outside the box and look at it from a broader perspective of the typical fan, and being on dancing with the satrs does not make him a household name. Hell have you seen some of the clowns anb has beens they bring on that show?

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        • quntel
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          #84
          Originally posted by Marduke
          Why did you leave out Floyds PPV buys? Thats right, because he really didn't sell that many more.

          Over 9 years into his career and he really didn't sell much more than Oscars first PPV only 3 years into his career.

          Vs Gatti: 365,000 PPV buys
          Vs Judah: 374,000 PPV Buys
          Vs: Baldomir: 325,000 PPV Buys

          And you can't even count the DLH vs FM fight for Mayweather and against Oscar. Who the **** do you think was the biggest draw for that fight? I'm sorry, it wasn't Mayweather.
          wow.....

          Look

          Oscar De La Hoya First 4 PPV Total Money
          Totol Money: 57.4 Million
          1. Rafael Ruelas (5/95) 330,000 buys = $9.9 million
          2. Genaro Hernandez (9/95) 220,000 buys = $6.6 million
          3. Miguel Angel Gonzalez (1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
          4. Pernell Whitaker (4/97) 720,000 buys = $28.8 million

          Floyd first 4 P.P.V

          1.Gatti: 15. 3 Million
          2.Judah: 15.7 million
          3.Baldomir : $16.3 million
          4.De La hoya: $120.0 million

          Floyd did 350,000 with Judah
          (http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Chee/Chee0413c06.htm)

          Floyd vs. Gatti = 340,000 PPV
          (http://boxing.about.com/b/2005/07/01...pv-success.htm)

          Floyd vs . Carlos Baldomir = 325,000 PPV buys
          (http://www.*********.com/*********_2...VefLFmoxo.html)



          Numbers dont lie..........
          P.P.V were way cheaper but then , then it is now....

          you have to remember Oscar was already had a name for himself... before turning pro....

          Floyd didnt.....
          Last edited by quntel; 11-28-2007, 09:54 PM.

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            #85
            Originally posted by Marduke
            17 fights, actually. And he fought all of them within 3 years of going pro. Pretty impressive.
            EXACTLY!!!!! How long has it taken Floyd to get to this point, with the help of Oscar? They so conveniantly ignore this fact.

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              #86
              Originally posted by quntel
              wow.....

              Look

              Oscar De La Hoya First 4 PPV Total Money
              Totol Money: 57.4 Million
              1. Rafael Ruelas (5/95) 330,000 buys = $9.9 million
              2. Genaro Hernandez (9/95) 220,000 buys = $6.6 million
              3. Miguel Angel Gonzalez (1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
              4. Pernell Whitaker (4/97) 720,000 buys = $28.8 million

              Floyd first 4 P.P.V

              1.Gatti: 15. 3 Million
              2.Judah: 15.7 million
              3.Baldomir : $16.3 million
              4.De La hoya: $120.0 million

              Floyd did 350,000 with Judah
              (http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Chee/Chee0413c06.htm)

              Floyd vs. Gatti = 340,000 PPV
              (http://boxing.about.com/b/2005/07/01...pv-success.htm)

              Floyd vs . Carlos Baldomir = 325,000 PPV buys
              (http://www.*********.com/*********_2...VefLFmoxo.html)



              Numbers dont lie..........
              Had Oscar fought Judah,gatti, and Baldy at the same point in his career he would have blown those numbers out of the water. Oh wait thats right Oscar destroyed gatti years before Floyd ever got to him.

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              • Marduke
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                #87
                Originally posted by quntel
                wow.....

                Look

                Oscar De La Hoya First 4 PPV Total Money
                Totol Money: 57.4 Million
                1. Rafael Ruelas (5/95) 330,000 buys = $9.9 million
                2. Genaro Hernandez (9/95) 220,000 buys = $6.6 million
                3. Miguel Angel Gonzalez (1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
                4. Pernell Whitaker (4/97) 720,000 buys = $28.8 million

                Floyd first 4 P.P.V

                1.Gatti: 15. 3 Million
                2.Judah: 15.7 million
                3.Baldomir : $16.3 million
                4.De La hoya: $120.0 million

                Floyd did 350,000 with Judah
                (http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Chee/Chee0413c06.htm)

                Floyd vs. Gatti = 340,000 PPV
                (http://boxing.about.com/b/2005/07/01...pv-success.htm)

                Floyd vs . Carlos Baldomir = 325,000 PPV buys
                (http://www.*********.com/*********_2...VefLFmoxo.html)



                Numbers dont lie..........
                So you just admitted that he sold barely 20,000 more buys after 9 years into his career than Oscar did in his first PPV only 3 years into his career.

                Numbers, indeed, do not lie.

                But yeah, you're right. Mayweather is a bigger draw.
                Last edited by Marduke; 11-28-2007, 09:59 PM.

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                • quntel
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                  #88
                  Originally posted by Marduke
                  So you just admitted that he sold less than 20,000 more buys after 9 years into his career than Oscar did in his first PPV only 3 years into his career.

                  Numbers, indeed, do not lie.
                  We had this convo in another thread.....



                  i AM TIRED OF REWRITING what i already wrote....


                  sonofisis's
                  And this makes absolutely no sense. Oscar has been fighting longer than Floyd and when prices are lower, more people tend to buy, hence, Oscar should have sold MORE ...

                  Who cares? Floyd's only had four, and has done better in that context paired against Oscar's first four, therefore, it is clear that Oscar didn't "make" Floyd Mayweather since Mayweather's ppv and immediate success was more apparent.

                  They both propelled each other during DLH-Mayweather (though Oscar was the biggest star), but Oscar didn't make Mayweather a draw, that's a false claim.


                  * Oscar was on P.P.V before floyd even started Fighting....

                  my question:

                  If you dont have a Gold Medal
                  your black in America
                  and you are not smiling all the time....(srl)

                  and have a Personality Like Floyds

                  how long do you think it would take you to get on P.P.V?
                  (how long is it going to take you to get people to pay $50 to see you fight)

                  Really..??

                  how long?
                  Last edited by quntel; 11-28-2007, 10:08 PM.

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                  • quntel
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                    #89
                    Oscar is fake and everybody knows it....
                    Even Mexicans know it.....


                    but at least Floyd aint smiling and ****, just so you can accept him....

                    he is who he is, and people can accept him or not, and thats why it took him so long to get on P.P.V...


                    and it doesnt change the fact that when he got On P.P.V

                    he has outsold ODLH in each of the first four appearances.....


                    so what you want too but that is a fact....

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                    • Marduke
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                      #90
                      You and the guy who posted that are in some serious denial.

                      Floyd hadn't sold over half a million buys before Oscar. Oscar has done this 9 times before Floyd.

                      And personally, I doubt Floyd will ever get over 1 million PPV sales again in his career. Whereas Oscar has done it nearly 5 times.

                      How can you still think that de la Hoya was not the biggest draw, oh yeah, you're too busy sucking on Mayweather's **** to use logic.
                      Last edited by Marduke; 11-28-2007, 10:17 PM.

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