Whats Wrong with American Heavyweights?

[rambov]

as stated previously its not as if all these east europeans have come from nowhere. its just that until recently they werent allowed to fight professionally what with communism etc

all those east european ****holes have been producin tough mother****ers since day one but its only recently theyve been allowed to compete for titles

thought it was blatently obvious myself

Yeah you're right but they have had the ok to fight longer than you think. A lot of good boxers have been fighting out of kazakhstan since 1999-2000.

[TyrantT316]

I think the overall desire in American Heavyweights seems to be gone...AHW don't seem to train as hard and just want to make money...legacy and heart just isn't a factor anymore

[Jim Jeffries]

i know our current active american heayweights suck. i didnt say they didnt suck just the point im trying to get accross is that even though europeans are at the top they still suck. never in a sentence have you heard Wladimir Klitschko and Muhammad Ali in the same sentence. this is the last time you will. so fantise while you can

Ali would have been knocked out IN HIS PRIME by a 180 lb brit named Henry Cooper, in their first fight, if Dundee hadn't torn his glove open to give him more time. Only reason there weren't any top Russian heavyweights back then is because the government wouldn't allow them to turn pro.

[Sweet Pea 50]

Yeah Cooper hit Ali with a big punch. To bad Wlads corner couldn't do the same against Sanders, huh.
Anybody saying Wlad belongs in the same breath as Ali need to get their heads examined.

[Jim Jeffries]

Yeah Cooper hit Ali with a big punch. To bad Wlads corner couldn't do the same against Sanders, huh.
Anybody saying Wlad belongs in the same breath as Ali need to get their heads examined.

No one could possibly be saying that. But then Wlad is far from done and is still improving under the guidance of Steward, so who knows.

[Jim Jeffries]

Yeah Cooper hit Ali with a big punch. To bad Wlads corner couldn't do the same against Sanders, huh.
Anybody saying Wlad belongs in the same breath as Ali need to get their heads examined.

Don't act like Sanders doesn't have any power, he does have 18 first round and 7 second round KOs after all, besides Wlads older brother took care of his dirty work for him.

[Sweet Pea 50]

Don't act like Sanders doesn't have any power, he does have 18 first round and 7 second round KOs after all, besides Wlads older brother took care of his dirty work for him.

What are you trying to prove here?
That Ali, under one of the greatest corner men of all time, got a break, and wrecked his opponent?
Or that Wlad got KTFO by not only Sanders, but Brewster?
Oh and it it took his "evil" brother to take care of the dirty work?
Your not making much of a case here.

[Jim Jeffries]

What are you trying to prove here?
That Ali, under one of the greatest corner men of all time, got a break, and wrecked his opponent?
Or that Wlad got KTFO by not only Sanders, but Brewster?
Oh and it it took his "evil" brother to take care of the dirty work?
Your not making much of a case here.

Look, smart guy, you're pointing to his 3 losses and saying he's a bum. Last I checked Ali had MORE than 3 losses, and Lennox Lewis cannot be defined by the bum and the mediocre fighter that he was KO'd by, nor can Tyson be defined by the BUM that KOd him in his prime.

[WLAD OWNS]

I think the 6,6 245 lb Wlad would beat the 6,3 210 lb Ali. Ali wasn't a big puncher, so I can't see him stopping Wlad. I can see the bigger,stronger Wlad beating Ali by KO/TKO. Wlad,Lewis and Vitali are modern day monsters, they're all highly capable of beating any heavyweight from any era.

[Sweet Pea 50]

Look, smart guy, you're pointing to his 3 losses and saying he's a bum. Last I checked Ali had MORE than 3 losses, and Lennox Lewis cannot be defined by the bum and the mediocre fighter that he was KO'd by, nor can Tyson be defined by the BUM that KOd him in his prime.

When did I ever bring Tyson into this discussion, SMART GUY?
Yes, Ali lost more then 3 times SMART GUY.
Wlad is not a bum, but hey, he got KTFO by a couple of "bums"
But to put Wlad on the list of all time great HW's?
Are you ****ing serious? Are you just that big of a nut hugger?
Never mind. I already know.