Tito Ortiz ***** slapped by Lennow Lewis on The Apprentice??

[ferocity]

Ortiz doesn't have the skill level of Lewis?

So Lewis is excelent wrestler, even better at ground and pound, not to mention that Lewis knows how to block kicks?

Lewis doesn't have the skill level of Ortiz, only advantage is boxing and he can use that for three seconds before going to the ground.

bye bye

Didn't Lidell ko' Ortiz like a boxer would a fighter against the cage and tito blocking and lidell punching like a boxer - simple repeated 1-2 combo's got tito ****ed up and on the ground.

Lewis hits tons harder then liddel, 1 combo by lewis or one punch and ortiz is out of it.

Please don't be in denial.

[FluugMacMan]

Didn't Lidell ko' Ortiz like a boxer would a fighter against the cage and tito blocking and lidell punching like a boxer - simple repeated 1-2 combo's got tito ****ed up and on the ground.

Lewis hits tons harder then liddel, 1 combo by lewis or one punch and ortiz is out of it.

Please don't be in denial.

Is Lewis a Kempo instructor?
Is Lewis a good College wrestler?
Is Lewis a brown belt or greater in BJJ?
Does Lewis even have a sprawl near the skill level of Liddell?

The only similarity between the two is that they both punch. Chuck didn't build his career solely on his "phenomenal" boxing. His ability to take kicks, scramble when he's been takendown, prevent BJJ submissions, and sprawl are the main factors that made him beat Tito.

What you have done is over simplify Chuck Liddell's abilities, and come to the faulty conclusion that because Lewis is a better puncher then Liddell, that he will have the same success, if not better then Liddell had against Tito.

Here's a quote for you to reflect on.

I'm in complete and utter denial. And I'm an idiot who can't think past one component of fighting.

I couldn't have summed up your argument better in that quote.

[ferocity]

Is Lewis a Kempo instructor?
Is Lewis a good College wrestler?
Is Lewis a brown belt or greater in BJJ?
Does Lewis even have a sprawl near the skill level of Liddell?

The only similarity between the two is that they both punch. Chuck didn't build his career solely on his "phenomenal" boxing. His ability to take kicks, scramble when he's been takendown, prevent BJJ submissions, and sprawl are the main factors that made him beat Tito.

What you have done is over simplify Chuck Liddell's abilities, and come to the faulty conclusion that because Lewis is a better puncher then Liddell, that he will have the same success, if not better the Liddell had against Tito.

Here's a quote for you to reflect on.

I couldn't have summed up your argument better in that quote.

tito would get stomped on by lewis, small guy vs. big guy, boxer who punchs like a ton of bricks, cage fighter wrestles with you on the ground. You would need strength to do what you think tito can pull off, but lewis is stronger then tito, i see no way how tito can even dare lewis to a fist fight. Would be interesting to see but tito would get hurt.

[FluugMacMan]

tito would get stomped on by lewis, small guy vs. big guy, boxer who punchs like a ton of bricks, cage fighter wrestles with you on the ground. You would need strength to do what you think tito can pull off, but lewis is stronger then tito, i see no way how tito can even dare lewis to a fist fight. Would be interesting to see but tito would get hurt.

Must I pull up the video of Lewis getting Judo thrown like a school girl, even with his big boxing gloves on, to prove that smaller guys against Lewis can still manhandle him.

Technique will always be greater then strength. You of ALL PEOPLE should know this as a boxing fan. Tito has more talent in takedowns, clench, GnP, Submissions, kicks, and transitions, then Lewis could ever hope to have. Lewis Only has punches on Tito.

Go learn about the elements of fighting, because currently, you know nothing more then a one dimensional, shallow understanding of how skill and strength play out in a fight.

[Facko]

Ortiz doesn't have the skill level of Lewis?

So Lewis is excelent wrestler, even better at ground and pound, not to mention that Lewis knows how to block kicks?

Lewis doesn't have the skill level of Ortiz, only advantage is boxing and he can use that for three seconds before going to the ground.

bye bye

Are you seriously gonna pull the mma is better than boxing card. Dude, real talk...grappling is not always as technical as you think it is...especially in a street fight. Lewis is wayyyyyy stronger than ortiz...and i think he could throw ortiz right off of him if he was mounted..seriously. But, lets say your argument holds water...lennox lewis would only need those three seconds...because if he hit him with one shot..even a jab he'd stun the **** out of ortiz if not drop him. Have you seen titos chin...its not very good. In fact, come to think of it...alot of these mma fighters get dropped really easily. I dunno if it's because of them having a weak chin or...just because they havent taken as many shots as boxers have to the face, so they aren't trained to handle them and not be shocked by them.

[blacksky]

if they were the same size i would pick Ortiz because it think two fighters, one from MMA and one from boxing with the same skills in a no holds barred fight, the MMA guy wins 75% of the time.

Seriously though, Lewis is too big, Tito had trouble taking Couture down how is he going to take down someone who weighs in at 250lbs.

He might take him down and get lucky but he wont keep him down.

that my opinion.

[Sudo]

Are you seriously gonna pull the mma is better than boxing card. Dude, real talk...grappling is not always as technical as you think it is...especially in a street fight. Lewis is wayyyyyy stronger than ortiz...and i think he could throw ortiz right off of him if he was mounted..seriously. But, lets say your argument holds water...lennox lewis would only need those three seconds...because if he hit him with one shot..even a jab he'd stun the **** out of ortiz if not drop him. Have you seen titos chin...its not very good. In fact, come to think of it...alot of these mma fighters get dropped really easily. I dunno if it's because of them having a weak chin or...just because they havent taken as many shots as boxers have to the face, so they aren't trained to handle them and not be shocked by them.

Dude, im fighting in MMA.
I've sparred with boxers, wrestlers, and BJJ practicioners.
So don't play smart ass on me, cause i've been there and done that.

Ortiz is wrestler, he would take Lewis down in matter of seconds, just rush in and get him in ankle and Lewis would fall down in second.
Ortiz can pull guard for all and broke his arm if he wants.

Lewis hasn't fought in years, probably hasn't trained in years and hasn't been in shape for years.
If they got into argument, do you really think Ortiz is ****** and would allow Lewis to throw a first punch?

if they were the same size i would pick Ortiz because it think two fighters, one from MMA and one from boxing with the same skills in a no holds barred fight, the MMA guy wins 75% of the time.

Seriously though, Lewis is too big, Tito had trouble taking Couture down how is he going to take down someone who weighs in at 250lbs.

He might take him down and get lucky but he wont keep him down.

that my opinion.

Couture is one of most accomplished wrestlers in MMA.
Who btw. took guys down that were way over him in weight, and Ortiz is not far away from Hughes in wrestling.

[DURAN_IS_GOD]

Dude, im fighting in MMA.
I've sparred with boxers, wrestlers, and BJJ practicioners.
So don't play smart ass on me, cause i've been there and done that.

Ortiz is wrestler, he would take Lewis down in matter of seconds, just rush in and get him in ankle and Lewis would fall down in second.
Ortiz can pull guard for all and broke his arm if he wants.

Lewis hasn't fought in years, probably hasn't trained in years and hasn't been in shape for years.
If they got into argument, do you really think Ortiz is ****** and would allow Lewis to throw a first punch?



Couture is one of most accomplished wrestlers in MMA.
Who btw. took guys down that were way over him in weight, and Ortiz is not far away from Hughes in wrestling.

i think your forgetting the size difference here mate... ortiz is probably 6ft tall and weighs about 200 pounds. lewis is 6ft 5 and weighs probably 260. i have met lennox in real life and believe me he is an intimidating man. i myself am 6ft 5 and weigh 210 and i looked like a small child next to him. ortiz would be seriously intimidated by him and if lennox threw a punch i wouldn't be suprised if ortiz backed off

[ironmt]

just rush in and get him in ankle and Lewis would fall down in second. Well Sudo I am not to sure about this game plan because as soon as Tito went to just rush In I have a feeling that he would be on his back staring up at the cieling trying to figure out how he Is going to pry his nose off of his cheek.

[Drunken Cat]

Lewis would kill Ortiz with one right hand or uppercut. Lennox is a big strong dude, Ortiz probably wouldn't even be able to take him down.

Ortiz could take him down, no question. No doubt Lewis' lenghty ass has a ****ty center of gravity. Good wrestlers tend to by a bit compact and stout, not tall and lengthy. Just watch this vid. of Lewis' ass being tossed around by Jeremy Williams (embedding disabled, mother****ers).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp2vWfb7Smk

One thing I never noticed was a guy in Lewis' side (coulda been Manny Steward) whispering to Lewis to just "go for a right to the chin" saying "we gotta get him outa there, we're too close to the fight." Haha, ***** asses.