Vargas - Winky Wright on espn classics.

[warp1432]

Not really. Anyone who truly apperciates boxing would choose Winky by a mile. Vargas is entertaining, but you don't go at the end of the day and say "Wow that guy had a ton of skill" like you would Wright.

[Kball15]

His biggest win is over Trinidad the other Mosley, and he lost to Hopkins and Taylor (guys his weight). So unless he gets credit for losing....

Mosley 2x, Trinidad, Taylor, Vargas (shoulda won), and Quartey, and then moves 20+ pounds above his natural weight class to give THE LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHT champion a very tough close fight...

Not to mention the fact that Wright did 90% of this OUTSIDE OF HIS PRIME...

I mean, unless Wright doenst get any at all for anything... he's a shoe-in for the hall of fame

[Fox McCloud]

You also got two differnt mentalities and fighters.

Winky is don't get hit and try not to get hit.

Vargas is all warrior and somtimes a warrior can lose but he comes back and wins again.

Winky made a name off of Trinidad. You can say Mosley, but Winkys stock really took off when he fought Trinidad.

Vargas has always been a fighter on the rise taken on tough opponets and show a kill or get killed attitude in the ring, even if it ment losing by ko. But it did get him a ton of boxing fans to pay to see him fight. Winky waits for the big names to fight cause even if he fought a top ten fighter he would have a hard time getting fans to see him fight.

So...
Vargas = More popular fighter.
Wright = Better fighter.

Right? That's what I got from your post.

[ferocity]

Not really. Anyone who truly apperciates boxing would choose Winky by a mile. Vargas is entertaining, but you don't go at the end of the day and say "Wow that guy had a ton of skill" like you would Wright.

Vargas had a ton of skill too, lets not forget this.

When years pass by and new fans come in and ask about Winky sure they'll probably hear, "he was a great defensive fighter."

But when they watch him fight, like his fights against say Quartey, Taylor, Hopkins, there going to say "Winky got hit a lot for a defensive fighter."

And that is being honest. Anybody who thinks Winky is some defensive wizard, doesn't know what he is talking about.

[ferocity]

Mosley 2x, Trinidad, Taylor, Vargas (shoulda won), and Quartey, and then moves 20+ pounds above his natural weight class to give THE LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHT champion a very tough close fight...

Not to mention the fact that Wright did 90% of this OUTSIDE OF HIS PRIME...

I mean, unless Wright doenst get any at all for anything... he's a shoe-in for the hall of fame

You're making excues.

Hopkins was out of his prime too.

Trinidad was out of his prime too.

Mosley at 154? What the **** was he doing there?

Taylor didn't he just get ko'd by Pavlike?

Vargas win over Quartey is more impressive then Winkys win over Quartey.

Does Vargas get any credit for the fighters he lost to? Cause after all, he did give every one a tough fight. Does that count for something?

[Roque_sevilla]

You also got two differnt mentalities and fighters.

Winky is don't get hit and try not to get hit.

Vargas is all warrior and somtimes a warrior can lose but he comes back and wins again.

Winky made a name off of Trinidad. You can say Mosley, but Winkys stock really took off when he fought Trinidad.

Vargas has always been a fighter on the rise taken on tough opponets and show a kill or get killed attitude in the ring, even if it ment losing by ko. But it did get him a ton of boxing fans to pay to see him fight. Winky waits for the big names to fight cause even if he fought a top ten fighter he would have a hard time getting fans to see him fight.

Or because his rivals thought he was an uncorfortable and he has to wait for his chances.
Some guys preferred that mentality altought the loses and...other don´t, it´s up to everyone

[Kball15]

You're making excues.

Hopkins was out of his prime too.

Trinidad was out of his prime too.

Mosley at 154? What the **** was he doing there?

Taylor didn't he just get ko'd by Pavlike?

Vargas win over Quartey is more impressive then Winkys win over Quartey.

Does Vargas get any credit for the fighters he lost to? Cause after all, he did give every one a tough fight. Does that count for something?

Im not saying anything about Vargas, i think he's a great fighter, but Wright is a shoe-in for the hall of fame and i think that its undisputeable.

Vargas has 5 big names on his record

Mosley, Trinidad, Wright, De La Hoya, and Quartey.

He got knocked out by three of them in very competitive fights, spanked Quartey, and won a controversial decision over the last one.

I mean, Wrights ledger against big names is much better

[Fox McCloud]

You're making excues.

Hopkins was out of his prime too.

Trinidad was out of his prime too.

Mosley at 154? What the **** was he doing there?

Taylor didn't he just get ko'd by Pavlike?

Vargas win over Quartey is more impressive then Winkys win over Quartey.

Does Vargas get any credit for the fighters he lost to? Cause after all, he did give every one a tough fight. Does that count for something?

Okay, so Winky's wins were out of their prime, fair enough...

What about Vargas's wins? Were they out of their primes? No one knows, because he didn't have any of those wins.

And now you are downgrading a performance from Wright against Taylor, because he lost his first fight of his career against a fellow undefeated fighter, hmmm.

Lastly... Mosley at 154? WTF was he doing up there? Knocking Vargas out twice if I remember correctly.

[old68]

People forget Trinidad was retired already when he came back and lost to Winky, and although Trinidad got outboxed 12 rnds, I felt Winky gave me one of the most boring fights I've ever seen. Thats why I don't care for Winky. It's called boxing, not knockouts. Yeah It's called boxing, not boring...

[Kball15]

People forget Trinidad was retired already when he came back and lost to Winky, and although Trinidad got outboxed 12 rnds, I felt Winky gave me one of the most boring fights I've ever seen. Thats why I don't care for Winky. It's called boxing, not knockouts. Yeah It's called boxing, not boring...

i still dont understand why people think WRIGHT is boring.

It bothers me to this day.

Taylor-Wright was FOTY stuff.

Wright-Soliman was very exciting, as was Quartey-Wright.

Wright-Trinidad i also thought was entertaining. Not edge of ur seat thrilling, but entertaining cause the announcers and crowd were REALLY into it