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  • DLT
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    My Floyd-SRL Comparison

    Im not going to lie, this is very long but it goes by fast and if you want to be real about your thoughts on this argument then you have to read this. Ill break it up into 2 post. Again I see a Floyd-SRL thread and people are ripping Floyd. I have talked about this so much and you guys act like you are too foolish to even understand. Its dumb just like when the idiot Manny Steward says that Floyd isnt anything compared to SRL or Hears.

    Heres what you guys are failing to understand. They are 2 completely different sizes. The fact is that Floyd moved to WW so now everyone compares him as a WW to other guys as there WW which is so completely unfair. How can you fools keep saying that SRL has all this that Floyd doesnt have without failing to mention the weights. If your going to compare them then you have to compare them in a P4P sense. Its so ****** to keep comparing them at WW when Floyd is in his 4th division and clearly a super small WW who unaturally moved up. If your being fair about it then you compare Floyd at 130 to SRL at 147. Doesnt that make far more sense?

    If you compare them at there starting weights then it definatly is a close comparison and Floyd would be argued to be better by alot of people. People say dumb stuff like SRL could box but also had the power to fight people and knock them out. Idiots, Floyd did all that at his 1st weight also. In his first few fights people said his best attribute was his power. He had basically the same power or more then SRL and he was faster while easily having a better defense. Infact, its so funny because I remember back then Floyd was on TV saying that the difference between him and the other top fighters in the sport is that he stop guys and they dont. He said that he was better because he was knocking out everyone in his division when they were top fighters and the other P4P guys arent doing that. He knocked out nearly everyone at 130 and fought every guy at that weight. He stood toe to toe and cleaned out the division. Stop comparing a WW Floyd to a WW SRL when Floyd doesnt even weigh 147 on fight night and SRL was a huge natural WW. Its not fair at all. Forget SRL, I hate it when idiots say that about Floyd vs the fighters now. They rip him and compare him to these other fighters but they all forget that all those other guys are at there original weight class and most of them are huge at there weights. Floyd could fight all those guys too at 130 but if you continue to move up then your style has to change, e****ally if your doing it untaurally.

    So I ask you all again, is SRL way better then Floyd when you compare them in the fair way which is P4P, SRL at WW and Floyd at 130. Not only do I think Floyd is better or atleast right there in that sense but Floyd was way better then SRL & Hearns when he moved up in weight. Those guys moved up and fell off for the most part. Again, you cant compare Floyd to guys when he's not even a real WW and WW was not only there best divison but they all finished at LHW. Are you kidding me? Its not fair at all. If you go weight for weigh then Floyd is easily right there and all the stuff you guys say about who is more of a fighter or who has more power doesnt stand up. I always tell people to remember this. If Floyd played his career naturally then he wouldve stayed at 135 until right now and just now be moving to 140 to finish his career. Can you argue against that? His weight clearly shows that.

    If Floyd had did that then I bet anything that everyone would be calling Floyd one of the best fighters ever. Thats my biggest regret for Floyd. He chased the Oscar fight and moved up unaturally. If he wouldve stayed at 135 until now like he easily couldve then how many people would be calling Floyd boring? We all would be talking about how he stands toe to toe and kills these guys with his Offense & Defense. He would be stopping alot of guys. His speed would be blistering and none of those 130 or 135 pounders would want to face him. If he just now moved to 140 to finish his career then wouldnt he dominate everyone and stop nearly every opponent? Everyone would be looking at him differently. Thats why it makes me mad when a clown like Calzaghe talks about Floyd running even though he has fought much better fighters and is fighting guys way way way bigger then him in his 4th & 5th weight class unaturally but Calzaghe is still at his same weight where he is fighting guys his size or smaller. It makes a huge difference. Its the same about all the huge guys at WW.
    Last edited by DLT; 11-18-2007, 08:54 PM.
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    PART 2

    The bottom line is that if your going to compare Floyd to guys like SRL then you better be fair about it and not just look at Floyd right now vs those guys in there primes at there best weight. Its so unfair. If you want SRL at 147 then you have to match him up with Floyd at 130 and then say who is better. If you want to go WW vs WW then you better atleast let Floyd grow into the weight which it looks clearly like he never will. I dont think he'll ever come in the ring at like 155 and if he did then it still wouldnt be real. SRL was way bigger in his 1st fight then Floyd has been at any point in his career. Its no comparison so stop doing it or be fair about it. Also, another thing really bothers me. Can you guys stop boosting up the past eras and dissing ours? You guys have to realize something. Im not going to call those guys overrated but boxing was a much bigger sport back then, thats why it seems like those guys are way better but there not. There were no PPV's and you could watch the biggest fights on your basic channels of CBS & ABC. The fact is that there are a ton of good fighters now who could fight in any era.

    Your a fool if you think Floyd, MAB, EM, PAC, RJ, Toney, X, Winky, and other guys would get killed by the guys in the 80's. It just seems that way because boxing is totally different now in terms of publicity. Back in the day the Boxing Champs were the biggest names in sports so the hype was way more but these guys are just as good. Thats why I say dont tell me about the guys that SRL fought because they were good but Floyd has fought some good guys too who just dont get the hype. Also fools, remember that SRL fought these guys at his 1st weight. You think Floyd couldnt or wouldnt do that? Chico was a murderer and Floyd fought him when he was just 23. Floyd wouldnt be scared to fight anyone at his natural weight wether it was a guy like Hearns or whoever. It makes a huge difference. Its like how can you brag about how different Floyd fights from Williams, Margarito, Cotto, Cintron, and so on when they are at there 1st weight and are fighting much smaller guys while coming in way over the weight limit. Let them be in there 5th weight class and lets see how they run against guys like Pavlik, Hopkins, Dawson, Tarver, RJ, or whoever. They would look totally different against those guys. Thats what Floyd is doing.

    Also, 1 last thing about the weight. I hear alot of people talking about guys like Pac & Duran moving up but that is still much different then Floyd. Floyd fought originaly at his natural weight and those guys didnt. They killed themselves to get down as small as possible to fight little guys. Floyd couldve easily started at 118 also but he's not going to do something dumb like that. Duran & Pac moved up well because they werent small to begin with and never shouldve been that low. They were always big guys who just lost a ton of weight. Thats why when you see Floyd at his 4th weight class then he cant even come in over the limit on fight night. On fight night he weighs 146 when fighting at 147 or 154. But when you see Pac he weighs 144 when fighting at 130. Its totally different. Even though he moved up he's still bigger then all of his opponents. Duran also was very fit and natural at WW & JMW.

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    • Azteca
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      #3
      There is a huge difference from moving up from 130 to 147 then moving from 147 to 175.

      Genius.

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        • Azteca
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          And for the record, Floyd was killinghimslef to make 130.

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          • Easton Assassin
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            #6
            Originally posted by VERSATILE2K7

            thats the gayest **** i ever did saw!


            And your unabashed ball licking of a fraud is tasteless aswell as inapropriate given that i had a thread realting to this very subject active.

            Did you feel a need to have a clean start? or was it just the thought of somone actually getting both sides to compare this garbage with.

            Bottom line- Leonard proved IN THE RING he was an ATG- Mayweather has not!

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            • wmute
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              #7
              Originally posted by Azteca
              There is a huge difference from moving up from 130 to 147 then moving from 147 to 175.

              Genius.
              1. you should count 154 for floyd, no?

              2. Ahem... it so happens that the only fight Leonard had at 175, was against a weight drained beltholder, weight drained to 167

              3. Leonard's fights at 68 were against Hearns and Duran (not exactly SMW, no?). Let's be real. Mayweather's run at 47-54 is already better than Leonar's run at 68-75. Not bcos MAyweather did something exceptional at those weight classes, but just because Leonard's run was ridiculous at 68-75

              Originally posted by Azteca
              And for the record, Floyd was killinghimslef to make 130.
              That is simply wrong. Mayweather was still weighing 138~ on fight night in his LAST fights at 130. He was quite far from killing himself to make weight.

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              • Verstyle
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                #8
                Originally posted by Easton Assassin
                thats the gayest **** i ever did saw!


                And your unabashed ball licking of a fraud is tasteless aswell as inapropriate given that i had a thread realting to this very subject active.

                Did you feel a need to have a clean start? or was it just the thought of somone actually getting both sides to compare this garbage with.

                Bottom line- Leonard proved IN THE RING he was an ATG- Mayweather has not!
                Honestly? Honestly honestly? I didnt read neither of what you guys had to say. I knew it was about the same things. Dont get your panties in a bunch.Now you look ******. I dont give a **** about either. Now enjoy the video.

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                • Azteca
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                  what's the deal wmute??? I thought you were better then this. You are basically slagging off Leonard and praising Mayweather in the same sentence.

                  For me the most obvious disparity is that Floyd doesn't seem to quite share the same competitive thirst that Leonard had - He's a little more cautious than Leonard and in that regard it was Leonards balls and championship heart that got him through his best and toughest fight with Hearns in the first encounter.

                  The only comparison where the comparison can start is skill level. Everything else about the two respective careers...people can stop comparing.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by wmute
                    1. you should count 154 for floyd, no?

                    2. Ahem... it so happens that the only fight Leonard had at 175, was against a weight drained beltholder, weight drained to 167

                    3. Leonard's fights at 68 were against Hearns and Duran (not exactly SMW, no?). Let's be real. Mayweather's run at 47-54 is already better than Leonar's run at 68-75. Not bcos MAyweather did something exceptional at those weight classes, but just because Leonard's run was ridiculous at 68-75



                    That is simply wrong. Mayweather was still weighing 138~ on fight night in his LAST fights at 130. He was quite far from killing himself to make weight.
                    Last part I have to disagree with to an extent. His last fight he didn't eat for 4 days before the way in, that WAS his LAST fight though.

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