What if Roy stopped after Ruiz?

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Dosent really matter, the question should be where would he rank if he had retired after the fight.

Yea, for me definatly in the Top 5, maybe in the Top 3!

But I guess the temptation for any boxer to carry on would be too great at that point.

[Jim Jeffries]

what happens to a fighter after they turn 35 shouldn't affect their ATG status.

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what happens to a fighter after they turn 35 shouldn't affect their ATG status.

Even if its for the better?

You can't win both ways, it either does or doesnt

[kamicazze]

SAME AS NOW! greatest of all time! ask yourself this at any weight who could you see beating him..........?? ill go throught the weights of whod have given him a run for his money
middleweight = MARVIN HAGLER, SUGAR RAY ROBINSON,
super middle = JOE CALZAGHE
light heavy = ARCHIE MOORE
cruiseweight = EVANDER HOLYFIELD
heavyweight = JOE LOUIS, MUHAMMED ALI, MIKE TYSON

AND I SAID GIVE A RUN FOR HIS MONEY! NOT BEAT HIM!

[AntonTheMeh]

Even if its for the better?

You can't win both ways, it either does or doesnt

yeah,i think hopkins wouldn't even be a a hall of famer by that logic

[THE REAL NINJA]

Tarver was a knockout artist from the start and Johnson is just a damn machine so it's not like he was Ko'd by soft hitting fighters here.

Another thing is that Tarver is a naturally bigger man who could make heavyweight without much work where as Roy slowly built up over years.

What makes it not really matter much in Roy Jones's overall raking as an all time great is the fact that if we have seen that Tarver and Johnson are both very very good fighters in their own rights.
This is not a situation where the "great" fighter lost to someone you've never heard of or someone who you never hear of after.