Cotto-Mosley: Haven't we seen this before?

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  • Steak
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    #11
    Originally posted by -Antonio-
    I personally feel the like the bigger Trinidad would always give Whitaker problems, prime or no prime.

    But I think this is a very bad comparison because Mosley has stayed active, and has proven he still has the speed and pop. Wasnt Whitaker also coming off a two year lay off? It's not even close.
    Im surprised you say that. Trinidad's fight with Whitaker was actually very close, not on the scorecards too much but round by round the action was prett close. I remember Trinidad actually being hurt pretty badly by Whitaker in that fight. And this is a Whitaker that was past his prime, on crack, and coming off a huge layoff.

    I like Mosley more, but I kind of want Cotto to win. I think him and MAyweather would match up very well and make a great fight. Slihtly better than Mosley-Mayweather. plus Cotto is younger. If I got what I wanted, I would have an extremely close and exciting fight that you could have either guy winning, but Cotto got the nod.

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    • cupcrazy01
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      #12
      Looks eerily similar on the surface, but you have to take into consideration the combatants' relative sizes.

      Tito was a HUGE welter, obviously, as he went on to fight at 160 and will fight at 170 (!) in two months. Cotto will top out at 154, as he's four inches shorter and has a much stockier frame.

      Whitaker was a small welter, coming up from lightweight, while Mosley is an above-average sized welter, obviously having fought relatively well at 154 (at least against DLH).

      And of course, there's the already-addressed gas tank topic. Whitaker was at the very end, Mosley is getting there, but by all indications, even though the gas light is on, there are still a couple of gallons left in the tank. Pea was running on fumes.

      Like ANTONIOM said, Mosley also has much more power than Whitaker and Cotto's chin is just as questionable as Trinidad's. Neither Puerto Rican excels at defense, so we will see Cotto get cracked quite a bit Saturday night, more often than Trinidad was against Whitaker.

      However, Cotto does work the body much better than Trinidad and wears the other fighter down over the course of a fight. Trinidad wasn't a fader down the stretch, but he didn't necessarily wear his opponents down like Cotto does.

      As the fight gets closer, I lean more toward Shane, but I think Cotto will weather the early storm and pull it out with a very close decision. When the fight was first announced I thought "Cotto by late stoppage". Now, I'm not nearly as sure.

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        #13
        Originally posted by -Antonio-
        I personally feel the like the bigger Trinidad would always give Whitaker problems, prime or no prime.

        But I think this is a very bad comparison because Mosley has stayed active, and has proven he still has the speed and pop. Wasnt Whitaker also coming off a two year lay off? It's not even close.
        I don't see Sweet Pea having any problems with Trinidad. Trinidad has to set his feet to throw punches. Sweet Pea doesn't so with constant movement and puches he could throw on the move frustrates the **** out of Trinidad. Then Sweet Pea could also sit right in front of Trinidad and make him miss and pay for missing. I'm sorry if De la Hoya could box the **** out of Trinidad like that before getting tired you can't tell me Sweet Pea couldn't and do it better.

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          #14
          Originally posted by -Antonio-
          I personally feel the like the bigger Trinidad would always give Whitaker problems, prime or no prime.

          But I think this is a very bad comparison because Mosley has stayed active, and has proven he still has the speed and pop. Wasnt Whitaker also coming off a two year lay off? It's not even close.
          Did you see what Winky did to tito?
          Whitaker is Winky x5 when it comes to defense.

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          • cupcrazy01
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            #15
            Originally posted by Easy-E
            Did you see what Winky did to tito?
            Whitaker is Winky x5 when it comes to defense.
            The better argument is Hopkins, who is smaller than Wright and fought a much better version of Trinidad than Winky did.
            Whitaker obviously doesn't have the power of Hopkins, but I do believe Tito would have a very, very hard time landing in double digits in any round vs. a prime Sweet Pea.

            However, he might not need to, because with Tito in his prime, it only took one clean shot at times.

            It's funny, Hopkins, Tito and Winky are all in my top 5 favorite fighters.

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            • -Antonio-
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              #16
              Yeah I know Trinidad was hit a lot early until his power was just too much. I realize Pea didnt have the same head movement then either.

              And the Tito that fought Winky wasnt the Welterweight Trinidad with the great physical advantages. I just think Tito's size and power will always pose problems for Pea. I'm not saying he would win, just saying it would be a closer fight than most people think. Sweet Pea's last five or six fights at Welter were all closer than his other fights. Not just because he was getting older, but because he started fighting bigger and taller opponents.

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              • dino
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                #17
                they fight style of these 4 guys is nothing alike.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by -Antonio-
                  Yeah I know Trinidad was hit a lot early until his power was just too much. I realize Pea didnt have the same head movement then either.

                  And the Tito that fought Winky wasnt the Welterweight Trinidad with the great physical advantages. I just think Tito's size and power will always pose problems for Pea. I'm not saying he would win, just saying it would be a closer fight than most people think. Sweet Pea's last five or six fights at Welter were all closer than his other fights. Not just because he was getting older, but because he started fighting bigger and taller opponents.
                  Even though I disagree on how close it would be I can respect that opinion. well thought out.

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                  • niceguy45
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                    #19
                    cotto vs mosley is gonna be just like chavez vs taylor, remember that fight ?
                    who will be the ref on cotto vs mosley please not richard steel we all know what happened on the chavez vs taylor

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                      #20
                      Either way it will be a great fight...

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