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  • markosg
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    How good is Hopkins????

    I totally understand Calzaghe's motives for fighting Bernard, they are based around US recognition and money which is fair enough. But lets face it who the hell has Bernard beaten to warrant this so called legendary status that he continues to ramble about. Fair dues he made 20 title defences......but Calzaghe has mirrored that.

    Yes he has beaten future hall of famers - Trinidad (which he constantly refers to.....how boring) and DelaHohoya but i'm not gonna insult your intelligence by explaining why those victories were not all they were made out to be. So that leaves us with his losses to Jermain Tayler who has been subsequently exposed and wins against a drained and out of shape Antonio Tarver and a blown up light middle in Winky Wringht.

    So tell me why Calzaghe needs to prove himself against the so called P4P top 4/5 player in Hopkins who invariable stinks out the joint in all his fights!

    The truth of the matter is that American fans have seen his last 5 or so fights and are just starting to give him credit, whilst those of us who have followed him for years knew that he would have been a serious threat to RJJ back in 97 / 98 let alone now.

    Hopkins beats Trinidad and gets elevated to No 1 P4P.......... then gets exposed by Jermain Taylor and slides down the rankings and all of a sudden a win over Tarver elevates him back to top 5 status. Calzaghe only broke into the top ten after beating Lacy when he had been a champion for 8 or so years. America...... wake up and start gving european fighters some credit!
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    #2
    Originally posted by markosg
    I totally understand Calzaghe's motives for fighting Bernard, they are based around US recognition and money which is fair enough. But lets face it who the hell has Bernard beaten to warrant this so called legendary status that he continues to ramble about. Fair dues he made 20 title defences......but Calzaghe has mirrored that.

    Yes he has beaten future hall of famers - Trinidad (which he constantly refers to.....how boring) and DelaHohoya but i'm not gonna insult your intelligence by explaining why those victories were not all they were made out to be. So that leaves us with his losses to Jermain Tayler who has been subsequently exposed and wins against a drained and out of shape Antonio Tarver and a blown up light middle in Winky Wringht.

    So tell me why Calzaghe needs to prove himself against the so called P4P top 4/5 player in Hopkins who invariable stinks out the joint in all his fights!

    The truth of the matter is that American fans have seen his last 5 or so fights and are just starting to give him credit, whilst those of us who have followed him for years knew that he would have been a serious threat to RJJ back in 97 / 98 let alone now.

    Hopkins beats Trinidad and gets elevated to No 1 P4P.......... then gets exposed by Jermain Taylor and slides down the rankings and all of a sudden a win over Tarver elevates him back to top 5 status. Calzaghe only broke into the top ten after beating Lacy when he had been a champion for 8 or so years. America...... wake up and start gving european fighters some credit!
    Hopkins has beat far better competition than Calzaghe. You name me some fighters on Calzaghe's record that are better than the fighters Hopkins has beat?

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    • markosg
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      opkins lost to the best competition on his record (jones)

      Chris Eubank (Former World Champion)
      Robin Reid (Former World Champion Olympic Medalist)
      Richie Woodhall (Former World Champion Olympic Medalist)
      Charles Brewer
      Byron Mitchell
      Lacy
      Kessler
      Bika

      He was avoided by Hopkins, Jones, Collins, Ottke, Beyer who were all offered fights and turn them down. He even offered Ottke a fight in Germany for a record purse and Ottke chose retirement.

      These are all good fighters that don't stack up badly against the top fighters that Bernard defended against.

      Tell me who Hopkins beat that i haven't already mention??

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      • demirturk
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        #4
        hopkins is destroying his legacy rather then making it better with his last boring fights ..

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        • markosg
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          #5
          Rober Allen twice?
          Antwun Echols twice?
          Syd Vanderpool?
          Joppy ?
          Eastman?
          Carl Daniels

          http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...1414&cat=boxer

          It's there for you to see.......

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            #6
            Originally posted by markosg
            opkins lost to the best competition on his record (jones)

            Chris Eubank (Former World Champion)
            Robin Reid (Former World Champion Olympic Medalist)
            Richie Woodhall (Former World Champion Olympic Medalist)
            Charles Brewer
            Byron Mitchell
            Lacy
            Kessler
            Bika

            He was avoided by Hopkins, Jones, Collins, Ottke, Beyer who were all offered fights and turn them down. He even offered Ottke a fight in Germany for a record purse and Ottke chose retirement.

            These are all good fighters that don't stack up badly against the top fighters that Bernard defended against.

            Tell me who Hopkins beat that i haven't already mention??
            Exactly, you've already mentioned his best wins. Calzaghe's best wins are Lacy (who was obvioulsy overrated), Kessler and Eubank 10 years ago. None of these compare to Trinidad, De La Hoya, Winky Wright or Tarver.

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            • markosg
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              You are totally missing the point............

              Delahoya started his career at super featherweight and Hopkins should have no credit for beating someone who was schooled by Felix Sturm.

              Trinidad has been exposed as a limited fighter at middleweight

              Winky Wright came up 2 divisions to fiht Hopkins

              If you count the above fights as great wins against live competition then you clearly don't know what your talkin about.

              Tarver didn't even put up a fight

              How do you know that Lacy was over rated?? He has had a major shoulder injury since the Calzaghe fight so you can't tell. Eubank was still better then than any of the fighters Hopkins had fought (bar Jones).

              Look at Hopkins' record.......when did he fight someone who was his own weight and in a 50/50 match. I can only think of 1 and that was RJJ. Calzaghe has done it 3 times and dominated everytime!

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                #8
                Originally posted by markosg
                You are totally missing the point............

                Delahoya started his career at super featherweight and Hopkins should have no credit for beating someone who was schooled by Felix Sturm.

                Trinidad has been exposed as a limited fighter at middleweight

                Winky Wright came up 2 divisions to fiht Hopkins

                If you count the above fights as great wins against live competition then you clearly don't know what your talkin about.

                Tarver didn't even put up a fight

                How do you know that Lacy was over rated?? He has had a major shoulder injury since the Calzaghe fight so you can't tell. Eubank was still better then than any of the fighters Hopkins had fought (bar Jones).

                Look at Hopkins' record.......when did he fight someone who was his own weight and in a 50/50 match. I can only think of 1 and that was RJJ. Calzaghe has done it 3 times and dominated everytime!
                I do understand what you're saying. I just think he deserves a little more credit than you're giving him.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Tuggers1986
                  Exactly, you've already mentioned his best wins. Calzaghe's best wins are Lacy (who was obvioulsy overrated), Kessler and Eubank 10 years ago. None of these compare to Trinidad, De La Hoya, Winky Wright or Tarver.
                  So if Calzaghe beats Pacquiao you will give him more credit?

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                  • kayjay
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                    #10
                    Tuggers beating welterweights is not impressive.

                    Anyway I don't want to argue about that. Hopkins is very good, he has won 20+ championship fights, he unified the MW, he's division at 175. I don't think he will beat Calzaghe (or ever could have) but he will make it an interesting match.

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